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But Women Don’t Want to Be Silent!

But Women Don’t Want to Be Silent!

One brave woman on Facebook is continually speaking truth on her newsfeed. One day she wrote:

WHO HAS A PROBLEM WITH THIS SCRIPTURE?

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 ~ 34 – Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Of course, more than a few feminists had a big problem with these verses.

“A scripture taken out of context too often! It does NOT mean that women are not to preach, there are many WOMEN who HAVE been called to preach!!!!”

This women was then provided with multiple verses showing her error in thinking but finally she responded without using any Scripture in any of her arguments this way: “Hmmm, looks like you women on here are the ones who should remain silent!!!! Look who started this post in the first place! Maybe you should study where it says to not touch the anointed or since you love to take scripture out of context, throw the judging scripture at me while you’re at it! You started this to start a debate!” Whatever that means. If they can’t back up what they believe, they shoot the messenger, as I am well aware of, since it happens to me often.

Then a wise woman named Amanda wrote the following and nailed it:

Let’s look at the qualifications of a pastor (bishop) as laid out in 1 Timothy 3…

This is a true saying, If a MAN desire the office of a bishop, HE desireth a good work.

A bishop then must be blameless, the HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

One that ruleth well HIS own house, having HIS children in subjection with all gravity;

(For if a MAN know not how to RULE HIS OWN HOUSE, how shall HE take care of the church of God?)
Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride HE fall into the condemnation of the devil.
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:1-6‬ (emphasis added).

Doesn’t seem a woman can fulfill all those requirements, can she?

Just because our lukewarm society has decided it’s okay to give women a “license” to preach (which, by the way, we don’t see in Scripture anyway), that doesn’t mean it’s okay by God’s standards.

Women saying they should be able to preach/lead over men reminds me of JEZEBEL, which calleth HERSELF a prophetess!

Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, **to teach** and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭2:20‬

Another Christian College Rejects Scripture for Feminism

Another Christian College Rejects Scripture for Feminism

My husband and I graduated from Westmont College in 1980. During our time as students, there were no female Bible professors. Robert Gundry was our Bible teacher at the time and was very well known. His position has just been filled by a woman named Sandra Richter. She wrote a post against what John Piper had to say concerning women professors at seminaries. Here is what she wrote. (Now, remember, she is going to be teaching the Bible at a Christian University.):

“I keep finding my name posted all over Facebook in response to John Piper’s latest presentation on why women are not allowed to pursue their gifting to teach and preach. I have a lot of respect for John Piper. He has accomplished some amazing things for the Kingdom. But his exegesis on this point has been shaped (and distorted) by his culture, not the cultures of the New or Old Testaments. Reality is, that the Holy Spirit is the head of the Church–not any organization designed by humanity. And according to 1 Corinthians 12 and Ephesians 4, it is the Lord Holy Spirit who gets to choose to gift whomever he pleases–Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female. I am grateful for the accountability that ordination boards keep in our systems. I am grateful for John Piper’s high view of Scripture. And I thank God that there is gate keeping going on as regards who moves into the role of shepherd.”

First of all, women not speaking in the church has nothing to do with cultures. It comes from the beginning of time since the reasons for these commands were that Adam was created first and the woman was deceived. The Bible is clear concerning who shall teach men and be in authority over them in 1 Corinthians 14:34, 35 and 1 Timothy 2:11-14. The Holy Spirit would never act contrary to the principles in God’s Word nor override them. When Paul wrote about Jew, Greek, slave, male, and female, he was referring to the fact that ALL who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved.

“But Brother Piper, I’ll take you on any day on this topic. Deborah was not a mistake. Huldah was Prophet. Junia was not a man. Romans 16 is not an anomaly. Priscilla was a preacher. And the women prophesying in 1 Corinthians 11 were exercising the most treasured and authoritative gift of their known covenant. This all in a culture where dowries and bride prices were the norm, women were still required to cover their heads, children belonged to their fathers, and the legal and economic systems rarely recognized a woman’s right to any voice or influence. If she is called and gifted, Church, it is your job to recognize that gift, develop that gift, and deploy that gift. This isn’t your Kingdom, it is His.”

Now, I’ve not attended any theological seminaries nor do I have a doctorate like Richter does but her assessments are wrong. Deborah was not teaching men the Word of God in a church since the Church wasn’t established yet. She was a woman in the Old Testament during a time when Israel was rebellious to the ways of the Lord. She’s not a prescription for the women in the Church age. Deborah was a description of a judge thousands of years ago.

Huldah was a prophetess in the Old Testament. She didn’t teach doctrine to men nor was she in authority over them. She gave King Josiah a special word from the Lord. We are never told in the New Testament to try to become a Deborah nor a Huldah.

Junia was a man according to my Bible. “Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me” (Romans 16:7). I believe the word “kinsmen” means that Junia was indeed a man. Even if he was a woman, as Richter claims, he was “of note among the apostles” NOT an apostle. God didn’t choose any female apostles.

The Bible does not say that Priscilla was a preacher. This is such an unbelievable stretch of the Word of God. There’s nowhere that she is recorded as preaching a sermon, teaching men (except one man that was mentioned when she was with her husband who most likely did the teaching), nor being in authority over men. She was married to Aquila and their names are often mentioned together. They helped the Apostle Paul in his ministry.

The women in 1 Corinthians 11 are not instructed to preach or teach men nor be in authority over them. They aren’t to prophesy in the church since this is forbidden and just a few chapters after this, Paul wrote: “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church” (1 Corinthians 14:34, 35). He would not have contradicted himself in such a way as Richter claims.

My husband, Ken, responded personally to Richter this way: I wish you would take Piper on in an in-depth discussion of this topic instead of appealing to a weak string of examples of women in ministry to overturn the clear precepts against women teaching in the church, as is clearly given in Scriptures. “I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet” (1 Timothy 2:12); and that an elder is to be “the husband of one wife,” etc. The actual mandates are many, yet you want to destroy them with a few crumbs of examples?

Is it possible that God wants Christian women in teaching ministry in the church? If so, you will not find this from anything written in the Word, but to the contrary, it is found in a new feminist culture. It is not Piper whose interpretation is lost in culture, but you are.

You and others have proposed a dangerous hypothesis that goes contrary to all of Church teaching and history until now, and goes against what the Word actually says. You postulate that because God can do anything He chooses He will go against His own Word on the matter. That the apostles’ instructions to the church were only cultural; a relic of the early NT times that God somehow thought best to keep in place in His church until now.

And where is your basis for knowledge and truth? A simple presupposition, an argument from silence, with zero proof, which goes against what God’s Word actually says.

What a coincidence that it comes just as feminism takes its roots in our culture. Is the Church to influence culture or is culture to influence the Church? I believe that question was settled long ago by Jesus himself when He said, “If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you” (John 15:19). Hmm… given the accolades it seems the world is loving this now.

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and fromthe things which are written in this book.
Revelation 22:18, 19

Women Teaching in Seminary?

Women Teaching in Seminary?

A few days ago, I read an article by John Piper called Is There a Place for Female Professors at Seminary? My immediate response when I saw the title was NO! If women are to be silent in the churches and not to teach nor be in authority over men, they should NOT be teaching men in seminary who are preparing to be pastors and teachers of the Word.

John Piper wrote: “If it is unbiblical to have women as pastors, how can it be biblical to have women who function in formal teaching and mentoring capacities to train and fit pastors for the very calling from which the mentors themselves are excluded? I don’t think that works. The issue is always that inconsistency. If you strive to carve up teaching in such a way that it’s suitable for women, it ceases to be suitable as seminary teaching.” I agreed with him 100%.

The next morning, a woman shared this tweet by Melissa Moore. Melissa is the daughter of Beth Moore and I wouldn’t be surprised if her tweet was in direct response to John Piper’s article since it happened on the same day:

Yes, women, Melissa’s tweet is in direct disobedience to God’s clearly stated Word and instead, wanting to be in control just like Eve. I’m not even sure women should be attending seminary. They can easily learn the Word from reading their Bibles, listening to capable men of God who have gone to seminary, and asking their husbands at home as the Bible instructs.

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with being only “taught by men” since every single book of the Bible was written by men, and elders (those who are called to teach the Word) are to be the “husband of one wife.” Jesus was a man! Would she have trouble only learning from Him?

The Apostle Paul wrote to Timothy, “And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also (2 Timothy 2:2).” He could have easily added in there to “commit thou to faithful men and women” but he did not. The preaching and teaching of the Word of God was given to men.

The purpose of seminary is to train men to go into the ministry as John Piper clearly stated: “When a student with the pastoral call arrives at the level of seminary preparation, something is different from what was happening in college education and high school education (at least, usually it is). Not only has he moved beyond the adolescent years of transition from boyhood to manhood, but he is now submitting himself to a community of teachers who, by their precept and example, are called to shape his mind and his heart for vocational pastoral ministry.”

God does not call women to be involved in teaching doctrine in the churches or be involved in “women’s ministries” where women are taught the Bible from popular female preachers and teachers, as Robert Truelove wrote in his article Why Most Evangelical Women are Worthless:

“Jesus wants us to be faithful to our calling and humbly acknowledge that we are just doing what we are supposed to do. Herein is the problem that plagues the typical evangelical woman. She doesn’t know what her calling is, she is subsequently discouraged, and lives an unfulfilling life.

“To address this problem we have the never ending series of ‘women’s ministries’. Women flock to these ‘ministries’ in the hopes of gaining some sort of ‘breakthrough’. They are taught their purpose can be realized by either starting their own ‘women’s ministry’ or working within one already established.

“The entire paradigm of the ‘women’s ministry’ is broken. It’s a vicious cycle. Women are trapped in the lies of feminism and find their Christian lives to be unfulfilling. They seek answers from a ‘women’s ministry’ and are ultimately taught they will find fulfillment by involving themselves in ‘women’s ministry.’ This doesn’t address the calling of the Christian woman and further obscures it.”

As I have stated before, if God doesn’t want women teaching men because a) man was created first, therefore, the one that God placed in authority, and b) the woman was deceived, as perfect Eve was deceived by the serpent, why would He want women teaching other women more than what He has specifically called them to teach in Titus 2:3-5? Most of these female preachers/teachers of the word fail to teach any parts of Titus 2:3-5 since these things aren’t popular to teach and, most likely, these women are not keepers at home. But this is what God has “called” the older women to teach and He has never called the young women to be involved in “women’s ministries” or teach the Word to others.

I agree with Pastor Robert Truelove 100%. Yes, I may be in the minority but it’s what I see clearly from the Word of God.

“A Christian woman should be taught to find her calling first and foremost IN HER HOME. The domestic duties of the home are her sphere of Christian leadership, for she is to be a ‘keeper of the home.’ Her first ministry is to her husband and children as she loves and serves them as a Christian wife and mother. This is WHO the Christian woman ought to be!

“This is the comprehensive witness of the Scriptures. When a Christian woman seeks to ‘find herself’ outside of the home, it is not piety but rebellion. Such women make poor wives and mothers but it doesn’t have to be that way. Christian women who lay hold of their calling by faith, believing in God’s role for them, discover their purpose. Contentment and fulfillment will follow.”

The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; that they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
Titus 2:3-5

Women Praying and Prophesying in the Church

Women Praying and Prophesying in the Church

Many people today believe that women can pray and prophesy in the churches. Does the Bible actually say that women can do this? Let’s look at 1 Corinthians 11 which teaches about headcoverings. We are told that the head of the woman is the man and that “every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head.” Is this referring to a woman’s activity in a church service? Does this mean that women can pray and prophesy in the church?

I can’t see anything in this chapter that states that this can happen during a church service. The entire book of 1 Corinthians is written to a very messed up church but the Apostle Paul isn’t giving instructions throughout the entire letter about how the church service should run. No, he is given instructions mostly on how those who call themselves believers in Jesus Christ ought to behave themselves.

At the end of Chapter 9, he’s encouraging believers to be temperate in all things and discipline their bodies. In chapter 10, he warns them against idolatry, fornication, lusting after evil things, murmuring, and that whatever they do, they do all for the glory of God. Then he goes onto chapter 11 about headcoverings, women being the glory of man, and long hair being their covering. In the verse I mentioned earlier about the woman praying or prophesying, it makes no mention of this happening in a church gathering.

In chapter 12, we are taught about spiritual gifts and in chapter 13, we are taught about charity which is godly love for others. In chapter 14, we are taught about prophesying and how it is used to “speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.” Here Paul is clearly speaking about being in a church service and how much more edifying prophesying is than speaking in tongues. “Let all things be done unto edifying…For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”

Right before this verse he wrote, “For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.” So yes, in this chapter he is specifically speaking about the church service and prophesying. What is the very next verse after the one about God not being the author of confusion and this one about all being able to prophesy one by one?

“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” God is very clear here that women are not to pray or prophesy in the churches. Paul would not have written in one chapter that women can pray and prophesy in a church service and then a few chapters later clearly instruct women to keep silent in the churches and that it is a shame for women to speak in the church. Men are called to pray and prophesy in the churches since they are the God-ordained leaders as the “husbands of one wife.”

All women who are speaking, teaching, prophesying, and praying in the churches are in rebellion to God’s clearly stated role for them. And in case women and the leaders of the churches didn’t quite understand what Paul was writing, he wrote it again just to make sure everyone understood.

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Timothy 2:12, 13

The Rise of a Dark, Subtle Sensual Spirit

The Rise of a Dark, Subtle Sensual Spirit

“Militant feminism has and is creeping into the churches. The apostate church as described by Paul in II Timothy 3:1-5 embrace her heresies. The rise of a dark, subtle sensual spirit of antichrist blended with Babylonian charm is sweeping over our land like a storm. This is why, in post-modern America, a well-known study by George Barna shows that since the late 1960’s, men have been less likely to attend church than women; 39% men versus 61% women on any given Sabbath day in any church in America. A significant reason is because of secular humanism (tied to feminism) creeping into Biblical interpretation, and thus misinterpretation of scripture (to fit secular society) falsely empowers women in the church to the point that they overstep traditional Biblical boundaries and intimidate men to the point where men stop attending due to the false doctrine that is turning churches lukewarm, apostate, and ultra-feminine. Male pastors are totally to blame for being seduced by a ‘Jezebel spirit.’“(Craig Meyers)

“Interesting fact, 1 Corinthians 14 speak of women being silent in the churches in the context of prophesying. Sure, there were women prophets in the New Testaments, but they were to remain quiet in the context of the gathering of believers to allow the men to teach, preach, and even prophesy. God never calls anyone to contradict his holy written word. If it is different than what is plainly seen in scripture, you can bet your money that it is not from God. Even if her ‘prophesies’ are true, she is in sin for disobeying God and people still must be warned against her.” (Steven)

These were a few comments on a post written against women preachers. Of course, women were up in arms but these two men spoke truth. God never ordained women to be leaders in the churches. There are zero qualifications in the Bible for women in leadership positions and there’s a good reason for this; they aren’t supposed to be in leadership positions. There are clear requirements for men in leadership positions, however.

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. 

 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. (1 Timothy 3:2-12)

What are the qualifications for women who teach the Word? The only one I can find is in Titus 2:3: “The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things.” It says nothing about them being leaders in the churches or having any type of authority over others. No, they are not even commanded to teach the Bible to the younger women. The are commanded to be “teachers of good things” which include: “teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.” Yes, they can use the Bible to support all of these teachings (How can they teach them to be good without teaching them the Word?) but they are never called to be expository teachers/preachers of the Word as men are called to do.

If God wanted women to be leaders/preachers/teachers in the churches, surely He would have given qualifications that they must meet but the fact that He specifically calls women to be silent in the church, that it is a shame for them to speak in the church, and that they are not to teach nor be in authority over men gives us God’s clear instructions about this topic. You can either believe the Lord and take Him at His Word or you can twist it to mean what you want it to mean and begin down the dark path of ungodliness.

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1 Corinthians 14:34, 35

Women are NOT to Be Deacons

Women are NOT to Be Deacons

Many churches today accept having female deacons when the Bible is clear that deacons are to be the “husband of one wife.” Yes, women can clearly serve in the churches but they are not to have any leadership positions. God has ordained the men to be the leaders in the churches, yes, even overseeing what Bible studies the women are learning from. I believe many Christian women are becoming biblically illiterate from learning the Bible from women who are not qualified to teach the Bible. From all of Scripture, it seems that God has ordained men to teach the meat of the Word, yes, even to women.

Here are two excellent articles about the topic of women deacons and they are worth your study. They counter all the arguments people give for having women deacons and why they aren’t biblical. Any woman who is a deacon is in rebellion to God’s clearly stated word. The bottom line is that women no longer want to love and serve others yet God tells us that the greatest of all is the servant of all. Instead, women want to lead and be head over men which is not God’s design at all.

Here are portions from an article written by David and Tim Bayly:

We’ve all seen a rebellious teen-ager or wife. Wise pastors and elders have learned to pick up the non-verbal cues that show this rebellion. Usually you can see it in the eyes or the expression on the lips. God made us this way and it is only through a cultivated ignorance that officers of the church are unaware of the obvious signs. I wish I could pick up the cues as easily as my African students do.

Vast sections of our denomination are in rebellion against what our Book of Church Order says about the ordination of women as deacons.

The trails of our “winsome” rebellion are various and devious. We show this deviousness by contriving ways to have women function as deacons while still holding to the language of the BCO. This allows us to cop a posture of submission to our “fathers and brothers” while we defy them. Sometimes we refuse to ordain anyone as a deacon, and then have a board of men and women who do everything a deacon should; it’s just that they’re not ordained to that office and we don’t call them “deacons.” We call them “deeks.” Sometimes our rebellion finds other trails to make us look good, while in fact we are undermining the government of our church.

Meanwhile, liberal sessions and presbyteries overture our General Assembly time and again asking, “Can’t we please change the BCO’s ban against woman officers? We want deeks! Can’t we please have them?”

This kind of rebellion needs to be dealt with just like any other persistent sin. Warnings need to be given and given and given. If these are unheeded (no matter the outward displays), then charges need to be brought and men need to be put under discipline. This is the only gracious way to deal with your rebellion and mine. Yes, this will mean that we won’t “guard each man’s dignity and save each man’s pride,” but it is the Bible way and it’s good.

It doesn’t matter who is guilty of this sin. Even if he is a man known for his expert grasp of justification by grace alone, through Christ alone, received by faith alone, then he needs to be disciplined if he has women serving and functioning as deacons (no matter what he calls them).

From an exegetical treatment about women elders:

Tabitha, Mary, Lydia (this is an especially silly example, since the passage in question refers to her conversion and to her immediately subsequent desire to help the apostles: not a word about an official deacon position! In fact, it is an excellent counter-example), the daughters of Phillip, Euodia and Syntyche, Priscilla, Nympha, and Chloe are not examples of deacons. They are wonderful examples of women who love to serve the church. They are hardly proof that women exercised the office of deacon.

I would put the WIC in my church up against any church of any denomination for the amount of work and service they contribute to the church, and not a single woman is a deacon. They work in hospitality, nursery, education, evangelism, and missions. They serve on all the committees of the church, and they keep PLENTY busy, I can assure you, yet they are not officers in the church.

For now, it should be clear that there is no biblical basis for proving that the New Testament approves of women deacons. I might add that there are strong negative considerations that must come into play here as well: the office of deacon is one of authority. Otherwise, why would they need to be men (!) of the Holy Spirit, as Acts 6 specifically spells out? There is no treatment of Acts 6 in the whole of Wheatley’s paper, and it is not difficult to find out the reasons why. Firstly, the first deacons were all men. Secondly, they had to be men of authority, because they had to be men full of the Holy Spirit. If there is authority wielded by deacons, then the strictures of 1 Timothy 2:9-13 come into play. The office of deacon is one of authority, and such authority cannot be wielded by women over men in the church. Incidentally, Acts 6 also puts the axe to the argument that women were needed, in the early church, to serve the diaconal needs of other women. Here in Acts 6, it is quite plain that men were seeing to the food needs of women.

Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
1 Timothy 3:12

She is “Called” to Preach?

She is “Called” to Preach?

“Success isn’t big crowds but it IS bringing HUNDREDS upon hundreds of thousands of people to salvation through Jesus, it IS ABSOLUTELY helping to restore the broken and feeding the hungry – which is just what female preachers like Joyce are doing.

In Jeremiah 18:1-5, God presents Himself as a potter and us as the clay, where He easily molds us from one thing into another. Who are we to tell Him how He might use a person? Who are you to tell a woman that the blood of Christ which covers her isn’t the same blood which covers a man? Does the Bible also not say, ‘There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.’ – Galatians 3:28 NLT

What it really comes down to is, we are all servants of the Lord, and He can use us however He wants to. Why make someone apologize or feel bad about wanting to share the love of God just because they are a woman? Isn’t God still the One getting the glory either way? I’m sorry, but posts like these really anger me because Joyce has been serving God for over 40 years – attacking her character and ministry is just plain wrong.

I am proud to say I’m called to preach, been called since I was just 18 years old, and NO ONE is going to stop me from talking about my Jesus, and so far… my being a girl hasn’t stopped Him from using me.” – Kelly

This is a comment I received on my post about women preachers which is quite controversial in this day and age, as we might expect, since most of God’s ways are controversial in this wicked generation, even among Christians.

Years ago, I spent a few years listening to Joyce Meyer preach and I enjoyed her. She was funny and entertaining. She reminded me a lot of me since she was very rebellious towards her husband for years but then learned about submission. She clearly understands her new life in Christ and I agree with some of what she teaches but I saw the error in her teachings, too.

Joyce calls herself a preacher and uses the illustration of Mary Magdalene seeing the empty tomb and running back to the disciples to “preach” to them about what she saw. “They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him” (John 20:2). No, relaying something one saw is not the same as preaching which is defined this way: “deliver a sermon or religious address to an assembled group of people, typically in church.” She knows very well that Mary Magdalene didn’t preach to the disciples.

Joyce preaches all over the world in churches, auditoriums, and stages set outside to audiences that are full of women and men. Yes, her husband sits on the front row but there’s nothing in the Bible that states that this makes women preaching okay. (Unfortunately, Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth believes the same thing. “Nancy does not believe that occasional teaching by women in mixed audiences is inappropriate, as long as two things are clear. First, that it is taking place under the headship of male spiritual authority.”)  There is NOTHING in the Bible that supports this belief.

Responding to Kelly’s comment, how do we know that female preachers are “bringing HUNDREDS upon hundreds of thousands of people to salvation”? Why can’t male preachers do the same thing since this is God’s way? Why do we NEED female preachers/teachers to directly disobey the clear teachings of the Word to accomplish God’s work, thus leading many other women astray by falsely believing that women can preach?

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Timothy 2:11-14

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1 Corinthians 14:34, 35

God couldn’t have been any clearer in His instructions to women! The verse about everyone being “one in Christ Jesus” from Galatians doesn’t wipe out these verses, Kelly. This verse means that every single person can have eternal life by believing in Jesus Christ; for we all have equal value and worth but different roles. We don’t need “to tell Him how He might use a person” because He has told us exactly what we’ve been called to do. His Word, the Bible, is living and active and has everything we need for life and godliness. Galatians 3:28 doesn’t wipe out all of the other verses in the Bible that explain male and female roles.

 “He can use us however He wants” but He’s also given us clear instructions, Kelly, and you are acting in the spirit of Jezebel. You are in rebellion to God’s ordained role for you. You were not “called to preach” since God doesn’t change nor contradict His Word. What He commanded through the writers of the Bible is still the same today. Jesus could have easily chosen a female disciple (apostle) but He chose twelve men. Priests in the Old Testament were all men and Elders and deacons are to be the “husband of one wife.”  

Yes, you can talk about Jesus with whomever you want and you should but this doesn’t mean you are allowed to preach in a church service where men are present and you are in authority over them; for you are to be silent. In fact, women are commanded to have meek and quiet spirits for a reason. What you are doing is shameful in God’s eyes; for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. I fear for women like you who make up their own bible and do as they wish. Please, repent and begin walking in the Spirit and in obedience to His will. 

What About Successful Female Preachers?

What About Successful Female Preachers?

“I am not saying I agree with women pastors, I am just saying why would God use them if it was wrong? I guess I need to come to my own understanding of it all. I will continue to pray about it. Also, why does the Word tell us in the last days both me sons and daughters will prophesy in Acts 2:17?” one woman asked me.

Why is Joyce Meyer and so many like her being used by God if women aren’t supposed to be preaching the Word of God and these women have no problems teaching men or standing behind pulpits in churches on Sunday mornings? God is clear that women are not to teach nor be in authority over men. Elders and deacons (the leaders and teachers in the churches) are to be the “husband of one wife.” Women are told to be silent in the churches and if they have questions to ask their husbands at home. So if these are all biblical truth, why are there so many successful women preachers?

Since when do we look at worldly “success” and proclaim it must be the will of God? Since when do we neglect the clear teachings of God and look at people who are directly disobeying it and determine His will by their behavior instead of what God has to say about it? What is “success” any ways? Big crowds? Lots of money? Popular books? TV shows? Are any of these successful in God’s eyes? Does He care about any of these things? No! He cares about us believing in Him and living in obedience to His clear commands. How can these women preachers teach this when they are clearly living in disobedience to His Word?

In fact, many of these false teachers are making “merchandise of you” just as the Word states about false teachers. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not (2 Peter 2:3). Haven’t you noticed that most of these famous female preachers are very wealthy due to their ministry? Off the top of my head, I can’t think of one truly biblical famous male preacher of the Word that lives an extravagant lifestyle, can you?

Concerning the verse in Acts, prophesy doesn’t mean getting up in front of a church service and preaching the Word of God since God’s Word doesn’t contradict itself. According to some of the commentaries, this event has already taken place, “And your sons and your daughters – Your children. It would seem that females shared in the remarkable influences of the Holy Spirit. Philip the Evangelist had four daughters which did prophesy, Acts 21:9. It is probable also that the females of the church of Corinth partook of this gift, though they were forbidden to exercise it in public, 1 Corinthians 14:34. The office of prophesying, whatever was meant by that, was not confined to the people among the Jews: Exodus 15:20, ‘Miriam, the prophetess, took a timbrel,’ etc.; Judges 4:4, ‘Deborah, a prophetess, judged Israel’; 2 Kings 22:14. See also Luke 2:36, ‘There was one Anna, a prophetess,’ etc.” (Barnes’ Notes).

“…fulfilled in Anna the prophetess, Luke 2:36, and in the four daughters of Philip, Luke 21:9″ (Matthew Poole’s Commentary).

(I have previously written about the verse in 1 Corinthians that refers to women prophesying in the church.)

I have never felt the need to “hear” from God directly as many of these female preachers do. I study His Word consistently and try to live my life according to what He has clearly asked me to do. If there’s something I want to know about doing that’s not forbidden in the Word, I step out and begin doing it, like writing this blog, and know that God will be the one who opens and closes doors for me.

Undoubtedly, every single time I write about this topic, I am accused of preaching and doing the exact same thing I am teaching against. Writing for a blog is not preaching! For one thing, I am not in a church as I write for this blog and secondly, I am not standing in front of a church on a platform and teaching a group of men and women and thirdly, I am teaching women what the Lord instructs me to teach them. Then these same people scold me for not teaching men their roles. The fact that I have to even explain this shows the ignorance of many today.

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1 Corinthians 14:34

Women Preachers are “Deeply Scriptural”?

Women Preachers are “Deeply Scriptural”?

Yes, according to Halee Gray Scott, a researcher focused on evangelical women in leadership, women being in leadership positions in the church “is a model of leadership that is deeply scriptural, built not on personality nor an individual’s personal charisma, but on partnership,” she said. “It is a model that reflects the fullness of humankind, both male and female.” Thus, Willow Creek Church has chosen a man and woman to be their co-ed pastors.

Is it deeply scriptural?  Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence (1 Timothy 2:11, 12). Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church (1 Corinthians 14:34, 35). A qualification for an elder or deacon in the churches is to be the “husband of one wife.” No, it’s NOT deeply scriptural. It’s clearly unscriptural and against God’s will for churches.

Steve Carter, the new male pastor, is quoted in a book he wrote, “My advice for those who want to live an invitational life is to show up with expectancy, with one ear attuned to heaven, so that when God whispers you’ll be ready to respond. God’s heartbeat is for humanity and He is inviting us to be ministers of reconciliation. He has given us a story of reconciliation and we are His ambassadors as if God was making his appeal through us. He wants to use you. When the spirit whispers, please say yes!”

This is dangerous teaching, my sisters in Christ, and it’s becoming all too common among female and male preachers/teachers and books like Jesus Calling. Everything we need for life and godliness are in God’s perfect LIVING Word. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart (Hebrews 4:12).

Dan DeWitt responds to the notion that God speaks or whispers to us personally apart from His Word: “You see, the truth is that God has spoken to you. He has preserved his Word. It has been written down by multiple authors across generations communicating one over arching story, providing you with an external reference point to know what God has to say to you today.

‘For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man,’ the Apostle Peter wrote, ‘but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit’ (2 Peter 1:21). Instead of a subjective experience where God ‘speaks’ to you, you have the objective words of God, passed down through the ages, affirmed by the church, and applied by the Spirit.”

According to the Christianity Today article, “About a decade ago, the booming Chicago-area megachurch (Willow Creek) pivoted from what had been deemed a ‘seeker sensitive’ approach’ to explicitly focus more on Christian growth and discipleship among its members.” On the contrary, they’ve pivoted to a lukewarm, non-biblical church as stated in Revelation 3:15, 16.

I have a wonderful study for those of you who are interested. Read slowly through Psalm 119 and list all the things that this chapter has to say about God’s Word and how we are to relate to it. Verse 1: Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD. Verse 2: Blessed are they that keep His testimonies. Verse 3: They walk in His ways. Verse 4: Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently. Verse 5: O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes. These are just the first five verses 176 verses!

Every verse explains the importance of God’s Word. His will for us is to walk in obedience to what He has clearly commanded to us and then rest in Him. We don’t twist the Word of God to make it say what we want it to say. We don’t hear a “new and improved” word from the Lord. No, our delight is in His Word.

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds.
Hebrews 1:1, 2

Male Leadership Structure for Home and Church is God Ordained

Male Leadership Structure for Home and Church is God Ordained

Written By Ken

Lori’s recent post on Women in Ministry had some good discussions going and helped expose us to the growing defense for women in church leadership. The egalitarians are now going verse by verse to wrest (pry, dislodge, yank, and remove) the scriptures to try to undermine the traditional Biblical theology that God intends male leadership in His church and in the marriage. There is this idea that some place, even if it takes years to build the framework for it, God never intended for women to be left out of teaching, preaching and leading the church forward. After all, there is no male or female in Christ for we are all brothers and sisters, sitting equally as joint heirs under the Lordship of one head, Christ Jesus. So how could God leave women out of church leadership?

The answer to this question I personally cannot give you, but God does. I know women who can run circles around the men in and outside the Church. They are equally as talented, equally as good at public speaking, and many know the Word inside and out. I would say that my wife would make a great teacher/preacher, except for throwing up on stage at the thought of doing something so completely against God’s Word. I could give some reasons as to why God chooses not to have women teachers/leaders in the church and most of those would have less to do with women and more so what God is trying to do in modeling the church after the godhead and family. But let’s let God Himself give the most fundamental reasons why, and then trust Him at His Word, without questioning His integrity and wisdom:

But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. (1 Timothy 2:12-14)

Now to me, an almost lifetime lover of the Lord Jesus and His Word, this seems a little harsh on the surface. The apostle Paul is not giving all the reasons why, just the most important ones: 1) Woman was deceived and 2) falls under the curse of the garden when God says, “He shall rule over you” (Gen. 3:16). Don’t shoot me for this because if I were God I would be far more lenient, yet I don’t recall any leniency given to man over the centuries for pulling weeds and providing by the sweat of his brow. The weeds and hurricanes don’t stop, animals still attack each other and the results of sin continues to prevail. All of the curses of the fall remain in place to this day, including pain in childbirth, and yet some want us to believe when God says, “He shall rule over you” (Gen. 3:16), that this proclamation is to disappear in these latter days.

Let me make it clear that what I am referring to is the way the church and family are structured in God’s design. Outside of the church, and those who do not adhere to the Christian faith, they are a law unto themselves and will create any norms, mores and culture that they desire. If we someday have a law that only women can be leaders in the work place I will joyfully follow my woman manger as I have in the past, and give her all the respect and hard work that I can possibly give. She may well be more talented and gifted, or a better leader than I am, and her position of authority over me is one to be honored, but only outside the family and the Church. 

What we are talking about here is how God throughout the ages has structured the family and His religious orders. Note that even if one could completely wipe out all the passages in the New Testament concerning male leadership, you would still have to answer why the Old Testament  model has 99.9% male leaders. Sure, go ahead and talk to me about Deborah and a couple other exceptions, and let me remind you that not a one of them was a religious leader.

God never said women could not be teachers or leaders, but God gives to the godly men the role of leading His Church!

God simply said over and over again throughout His Word that the believing men are to be leaders in the temple, in the church and of the family. If one could undermine every single spot where male leadership is taught in the New Testament, and if you could wipe out the whole male leadership of Kings, Prophets and Priests in the OT, you would still have to deal with one more impossible hurdle…

Neither Christ, nor the disciples, nor the apostles ever appointed or advocated female church leadership in God’s Word. Furthermore, wives are given a specific role to focus on the nurture of their husband and children.  

Let’s get real here a second. I don’t buy into any of the dishonesty of the supposed scholars who have somehow in these latter times found that the Greek text does not mean what all the other scholars before them found it to mean. We’ve had multiple people tell Lori that the commentators she uses are outdated and she should not be using any of them that are before the discovery and translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Well guess what! The Dead Sea Scrolls contain just fragments of many of the OT Books, and none have conclusively been shown to be a piece of an NT book. And it may surprise you to learn that the DSSs actually support all of the major doctrines of the Bible. 

Ironically, one women founded her lack of trust in a post Lori was writing based on her husband who is completing seminary telling her that the DSSs disprove what she was writing about the Proverbs 31 woman. The Dead Sea Scrolls do not even contain Proverbs 31.

The big push is to see the Greek word authentein as meaning domineering, instead of exercise authority over. Go ahead and change the word in the text and it would read: “But I do not allow a woman to teach or be domineering over a man, but to remain quiet.” How is this silent woman who is not to teach men supposed to lead in the church? Or do the words teach and remain silent also have some new interpretation found in ancient manuscripts that God has chosen to hide until now in the age of feminism?

Satan is the master of confusing things and what we are finding is a whole church and churches full of people grasping at straws to try and disprove male leadership in the church. So long as they can throw one small underpinning after another, no matter how spurious it may be, the whole must add up to something… right?

WRONG!

It is completely dishonest to think, believe or teach that the apostle Paul and Peter did not mean exactly what they wrote about male leadership for the church and family. The exercise only bears fruit by confusing the Biblical unlearned and unstable enough to buy into the confusion instead of what the plain text says. The whole of the New Testament writings point definitively to the traditional theology on this matter. Take the Bible apart piece by piece and you still have to admit that:

 Proving that God is not denying women Church leadership is still not proving He desires women in leadership. There is not one passage that is specific to women asking them to lead in the church. And how can they meet the qualification of “the husband of one wife” to be an elder or deacon? 

I was challenged to listen to Dr. Gordon Fee, an NT scholar who advocates for female church leadership yet he is honest with the texts related to male leadership when he says, 

It would have never occurred to him (Paul) to add shame to shame by dismantling the structure of the household… What Paul obviously did not do was to demolish the structures and create new ones. What was radical lay in urging those who are filled with the Spirit to have totally transformed relationships within the household.” Cultural Context of Ephesians 5:18-33

I can agree with Dr. Fee as the Bible speaks loudly that the first of love and self-sacrifice in a Christian marriage belongs to the husband who lays down his life for his wife and family, putting them and their sanctification first and foremost. Where Dr. Fee and I part ways is with his unsupportable jump from affirming God’s Words and the words of Paul concerning male leadership of the household and church, to wiping it all out as “cultural” and “immaterial.” He says,

In the end the structures are all absolutely immaterial since they are predicated on cultural givens that are simply not ours. Indeed, in light of this text the structures are irrelevant. Except that some structure must be in place or the household will fall apart. But these depend largely to the people involved, their own gifting, personalities and how they relater each other.”

In Dr. Fee we find a New Testament scholar who knows that none of the interpretive gymnastics that the egalitarians want to try will work when it comes to wiping out the plain teaching of the text. He clearly understands that the intention of the apostles and early church was to forbid Christian women in authority over a man in the home or in the church. I urge my brothers and sisters in Christ to adopt his honesty concerning the plain reading of the text, and if you still must try to advocate for female leaders/teachers in the church, grab a hold of Dr. Fee’s paint brush of “cultural.” It’s an honest position, even if we believe it to be completely wrong and does violence to the continuity of God’s Word. 

Dr. Fee, how do you know that God did not intend His Word to transcend culture as it has done for 2000 years? If you believe that some structure must exist in the home and the church, as you do, give me your basis for knowledge that God intends the new structures of our culture to be based on gifting, personalities and how we relate to each other? If the male leadership structure is not what God intends for all homes and the church, why didn’t he give us a hint of such a thing coming during the time of Jesus, or in the early church, or in His Word? Instead he gives the opposite, and God is not the author of confusion or guesswork. Our theology is certainly not to be based on a conjecture of “cultural.” And many understand this dilemma. Hence the impossible search to try and find a basis for women leadership in the Word. 

Do you realize that counter-culture Jesus had every opportunity to close this debate by appointing one or two women as His disciples? That God could have closed this issue by having Peter or Paul appoint a couple female elders? Yet now you want us to believe that after all the Church age of male leadership in the church, you have discovered that male leadership is not critical to advancing the kingdom of God on the basis of conjecture alone… no proof from God’s Word. If God leaves such an important issue related to life and godliness open to cultural changes, when do we start accepting homosexual marriages in the church? Is polygamy next as it is far more defensible from the Word than female leadership? The door to the slippery slope is now wide open to all who want to see “culture” as dominant over the clear teaching of the Word.

There are a hundred questions I would like to ask those in Dr. Fee’s camp, but in the end we will reach an impasse because I firmly believe that God’s inerrant Word transcends time in this matter, and that no better model of leadership can exist than to have a godly Christian husband leading his home along with a plurality of men as elders leading the church. And this is not conjecture, but based on God’s perfect Word.

Our God is very clear on what He wants from mankind and His church, and to leave such an important issue completely unsupported by His Word has to make the unbiased student side with  traditional theology on this matter. God indeed wants Christ to be head of all, and husband to be head of his wife and family, and male elders in charge of His Church… just as His Word plainly says it.

You cannot twist the Word to make it say something it does not and arrive at truth. Be careful to heed the apostle Peter’s warning as he defends Paul’s words as true and warns against wresting them away from their natural meaning “to their own destruction.”

And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.
2 Peter 3:15-17