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She is “Called” to Preach?

She is “Called” to Preach?

“Success isn’t big crowds but it IS bringing HUNDREDS upon hundreds of thousands of people to salvation through Jesus, it IS ABSOLUTELY helping to restore the broken and feeding the hungry – which is just what female preachers like Joyce are doing.

In Jeremiah 18:1-5, God presents Himself as a potter and us as the clay, where He easily molds us from one thing into another. Who are we to tell Him how He might use a person? Who are you to tell a woman that the blood of Christ which covers her isn’t the same blood which covers a man? Does the Bible also not say, ‘There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.’ – Galatians 3:28 NLT

What it really comes down to is, we are all servants of the Lord, and He can use us however He wants to. Why make someone apologize or feel bad about wanting to share the love of God just because they are a woman? Isn’t God still the One getting the glory either way? I’m sorry, but posts like these really anger me because Joyce has been serving God for over 40 years – attacking her character and ministry is just plain wrong.

I am proud to say I’m called to preach, been called since I was just 18 years old, and NO ONE is going to stop me from talking about my Jesus, and so far… my being a girl hasn’t stopped Him from using me.” – Kelly

This is a comment I received on my post about women preachers which is quite controversial in this day and age, as we might expect, since most of God’s ways are controversial in this wicked generation, even among Christians.

Years ago, I spent a few years listening to Joyce Meyer preach and I enjoyed her. She was funny and entertaining. She reminded me a lot of me since she was very rebellious towards her husband for years but then learned about submission. She clearly understands her new life in Christ and I agree with some of what she teaches but I saw the error in her teachings, too.

Joyce calls herself a preacher and uses the illustration of Mary Magdalene seeing the empty tomb and running back to the disciples to “preach” to them about what she saw. “They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him” (John 20:2). No, relaying something one saw is not the same as preaching which is defined this way: “deliver a sermon or religious address to an assembled group of people, typically in church.” She knows very well that Mary Magdalene didn’t preach to the disciples.

Joyce preaches all over the world in churches, auditoriums, and stages set outside to audiences that are full of women and men. Yes, her husband sits on the front row but there’s nothing in the Bible that states that this makes women preaching okay. (Unfortunately, Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth believes the same thing. “Nancy does not believe that occasional teaching by women in mixed audiences is inappropriate, as long as two things are clear. First, that it is taking place under the headship of male spiritual authority.”)  There is NOTHING in the Bible that supports this belief.

Responding to Kelly’s comment, how do we know that female preachers are “bringing HUNDREDS upon hundreds of thousands of people to salvation”? Why can’t male preachers do the same thing since this is God’s way? Why do we NEED female preachers/teachers to directly disobey the clear teachings of the Word to accomplish God’s work, thus leading many other women astray by falsely believing that women can preach?

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Timothy 2:11-14

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1 Corinthians 14:34, 35

God couldn’t have been any clearer in His instructions to women! The verse about everyone being “one in Christ Jesus” from Galatians doesn’t wipe out these verses, Kelly. This verse means that every single person can have eternal life by believing in Jesus Christ; for we all have equal value and worth but different roles. We don’t need “to tell Him how He might use a person” because He has told us exactly what we’ve been called to do. His Word, the Bible, is living and active and has everything we need for life and godliness. Galatians 3:28 doesn’t wipe out all of the other verses in the Bible that explain male and female roles.

 “He can use us however He wants” but He’s also given us clear instructions, Kelly, and you are acting in the spirit of Jezebel. You are in rebellion to God’s ordained role for you. You were not “called to preach” since God doesn’t change nor contradict His Word. What He commanded through the writers of the Bible is still the same today. Jesus could have easily chosen a female disciple (apostle) but He chose twelve men. Priests in the Old Testament were all men and Elders and deacons are to be the “husband of one wife.”  

Yes, you can talk about Jesus with whomever you want and you should but this doesn’t mean you are allowed to preach in a church service where men are present and you are in authority over them; for you are to be silent. In fact, women are commanded to have meek and quiet spirits for a reason. What you are doing is shameful in God’s eyes; for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. I fear for women like you who make up their own bible and do as they wish. Please, repent and begin walking in the Spirit and in obedience to His will. 

What About Successful Female Preachers?

What About Successful Female Preachers?

“I am not saying I agree with women pastors, I am just saying why would God use them if it was wrong? I guess I need to come to my own understanding of it all. I will continue to pray about it. Also, why does the Word tell us in the last days both me sons and daughters will prophesy in Acts 2:17?” one woman asked me.

Why is Joyce Meyer and so many like her being used by God if women aren’t supposed to be preaching the Word of God and these women have no problems teaching men or standing behind pulpits in churches on Sunday mornings? God is clear that women are not to teach nor be in authority over men. Elders and deacons (the leaders and teachers in the churches) are to be the “husband of one wife.” Women are told to be silent in the churches and if they have questions to ask their husbands at home. So if these are all biblical truth, why are there so many successful women preachers?

Since when do we look at worldly “success” and proclaim it must be the will of God? Since when do we neglect the clear teachings of God and look at people who are directly disobeying it and determine His will by their behavior instead of what God has to say about it? What is “success” any ways? Big crowds? Lots of money? Popular books? TV shows? Are any of these successful in God’s eyes? Does He care about any of these things? No! He cares about us believing in Him and living in obedience to His clear commands. How can these women preachers teach this when they are clearly living in disobedience to His Word?

In fact, many of these false teachers are making “merchandise of you” just as the Word states about false teachers. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not (2 Peter 2:3). Haven’t you noticed that most of these famous female preachers are very wealthy due to their ministry? Off the top of my head, I can’t think of one truly biblical famous male preacher of the Word that lives an extravagant lifestyle, can you?

Concerning the verse in Acts, prophesy doesn’t mean getting up in front of a church service and preaching the Word of God since God’s Word doesn’t contradict itself. According to some of the commentaries, this event has already taken place, “And your sons and your daughters – Your children. It would seem that females shared in the remarkable influences of the Holy Spirit. Philip the Evangelist had four daughters which did prophesy, Acts 21:9. It is probable also that the females of the church of Corinth partook of this gift, though they were forbidden to exercise it in public, 1 Corinthians 14:34. The office of prophesying, whatever was meant by that, was not confined to the people among the Jews: Exodus 15:20, ‘Miriam, the prophetess, took a timbrel,’ etc.; Judges 4:4, ‘Deborah, a prophetess, judged Israel’; 2 Kings 22:14. See also Luke 2:36, ‘There was one Anna, a prophetess,’ etc.” (Barnes’ Notes).

“…fulfilled in Anna the prophetess, Luke 2:36, and in the four daughters of Philip, Luke 21:9″ (Matthew Poole’s Commentary).

(I have previously written about the verse in 1 Corinthians that refers to women prophesying in the church.)

I have never felt the need to “hear” from God directly as many of these female preachers do. I study His Word consistently and try to live my life according to what He has clearly asked me to do. If there’s something I want to know about doing that’s not forbidden in the Word, I step out and begin doing it, like writing this blog, and know that God will be the one who opens and closes doors for me.

Undoubtedly, every single time I write about this topic, I am accused of preaching and doing the exact same thing I am teaching against. Writing for a blog is not preaching! For one thing, I am not in a church as I write for this blog and secondly, I am not standing in front of a church on a platform and teaching a group of men and women and thirdly, I am teaching women what the Lord instructs me to teach them. Then these same people scold me for not teaching men their roles. The fact that I have to even explain this shows the ignorance of many today.

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1 Corinthians 14:34

Women Preachers are “Deeply Scriptural”?

Women Preachers are “Deeply Scriptural”?

Yes, according to Halee Gray Scott, a researcher focused on evangelical women in leadership, women being in leadership positions in the church “is a model of leadership that is deeply scriptural, built not on personality nor an individual’s personal charisma, but on partnership,” she said. “It is a model that reflects the fullness of humankind, both male and female.” Thus, Willow Creek Church has chosen a man and woman to be their co-ed pastors.

Is it deeply scriptural?  Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence (1 Timothy 2:11, 12). Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church (1 Corinthians 14:34, 35). A qualification for an elder or deacon in the churches is to be the “husband of one wife.” No, it’s NOT deeply scriptural. It’s clearly unscriptural and against God’s will for churches.

Steve Carter, the new male pastor, is quoted in a book he wrote, “My advice for those who want to live an invitational life is to show up with expectancy, with one ear attuned to heaven, so that when God whispers you’ll be ready to respond. God’s heartbeat is for humanity and He is inviting us to be ministers of reconciliation. He has given us a story of reconciliation and we are His ambassadors as if God was making his appeal through us. He wants to use you. When the spirit whispers, please say yes!”

This is dangerous teaching, my sisters in Christ, and it’s becoming all too common among female and male preachers/teachers and books like Jesus Calling. Everything we need for life and godliness are in God’s perfect LIVING Word. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart (Hebrews 4:12).

Dan DeWitt responds to the notion that God speaks or whispers to us personally apart from His Word: “You see, the truth is that God has spoken to you. He has preserved his Word. It has been written down by multiple authors across generations communicating one over arching story, providing you with an external reference point to know what God has to say to you today.

‘For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man,’ the Apostle Peter wrote, ‘but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit’ (2 Peter 1:21). Instead of a subjective experience where God ‘speaks’ to you, you have the objective words of God, passed down through the ages, affirmed by the church, and applied by the Spirit.”

According to the Christianity Today article, “About a decade ago, the booming Chicago-area megachurch (Willow Creek) pivoted from what had been deemed a ‘seeker sensitive’ approach’ to explicitly focus more on Christian growth and discipleship among its members.” On the contrary, they’ve pivoted to a lukewarm, non-biblical church as stated in Revelation 3:15, 16.

I have a wonderful study for those of you who are interested. Read slowly through Psalm 119 and list all the things that this chapter has to say about God’s Word and how we are to relate to it. Verse 1: Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD. Verse 2: Blessed are they that keep His testimonies. Verse 3: They walk in His ways. Verse 4: Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently. Verse 5: O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes. These are just the first five verses 176 verses!

Every verse explains the importance of God’s Word. His will for us is to walk in obedience to what He has clearly commanded to us and then rest in Him. We don’t twist the Word of God to make it say what we want it to say. We don’t hear a “new and improved” word from the Lord. No, our delight is in His Word.

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds.
Hebrews 1:1, 2

Male Leadership Structure for Home and Church is God Ordained

Male Leadership Structure for Home and Church is God Ordained

Written By Ken

Lori’s recent post on Women in Ministry had some good discussions going and helped expose us to the growing defense for women in church leadership. The egalitarians are now going verse by verse to wrest (pry, dislodge, yank, and remove) the scriptures to try to undermine the traditional Biblical theology that God intends male leadership in His church and in the marriage. There is this idea that some place, even if it takes years to build the framework for it, God never intended for women to be left out of teaching, preaching and leading the church forward. After all, there is no male or female in Christ for we are all brothers and sisters, sitting equally as joint heirs under the Lordship of one head, Christ Jesus. So how could God leave women out of church leadership?

The answer to this question I personally cannot give you, but God does. I know women who can run circles around the men in and outside the Church. They are equally as talented, equally as good at public speaking, and many know the Word inside and out. I would say that my wife would make a great teacher/preacher, except for throwing up on stage at the thought of doing something so completely against God’s Word. I could give some reasons as to why God chooses not to have women teachers/leaders in the church and most of those would have less to do with women and more so what God is trying to do in modeling the church after the godhead and family. But let’s let God Himself give the most fundamental reasons why, and then trust Him at His Word, without questioning His integrity and wisdom:

But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. (1 Timothy 2:12-14)

Now to me, an almost lifetime lover of the Lord Jesus and His Word, this seems a little harsh on the surface. The apostle Paul is not giving all the reasons why, just the most important ones: 1) Woman was deceived and 2) falls under the curse of the garden when God says, “He shall rule over you” (Gen. 3:16). Don’t shoot me for this because if I were God I would be far more lenient, yet I don’t recall any leniency given to man over the centuries for pulling weeds and providing by the sweat of his brow. The weeds and hurricanes don’t stop, animals still attack each other and the results of sin continues to prevail. All of the curses of the fall remain in place to this day, including pain in childbirth, and yet some want us to believe when God says, “He shall rule over you” (Gen. 3:16), that this proclamation is to disappear in these latter days.

Let me make it clear that what I am referring to is the way the church and family are structured in God’s design. Outside of the church, and those who do not adhere to the Christian faith, they are a law unto themselves and will create any norms, mores and culture that they desire. If we someday have a law that only women can be leaders in the work place I will joyfully follow my woman manger as I have in the past, and give her all the respect and hard work that I can possibly give. She may well be more talented and gifted, or a better leader than I am, and her position of authority over me is one to be honored, but only outside the family and the Church. 

What we are talking about here is how God throughout the ages has structured the family and His religious orders. Note that even if one could completely wipe out all the passages in the New Testament concerning male leadership, you would still have to answer why the Old Testament  model has 99.9% male leaders. Sure, go ahead and talk to me about Deborah and a couple other exceptions, and let me remind you that not a one of them was a religious leader.

God never said women could not be teachers or leaders, but God gives to the godly men the role of leading His Church!

God simply said over and over again throughout His Word that the believing men are to be leaders in the temple, in the church and of the family. If one could undermine every single spot where male leadership is taught in the New Testament, and if you could wipe out the whole male leadership of Kings, Prophets and Priests in the OT, you would still have to deal with one more impossible hurdle…

Neither Christ, nor the disciples, nor the apostles ever appointed or advocated female church leadership in God’s Word. Furthermore, wives are given a specific role to focus on the nurture of their husband and children.  

Let’s get real here a second. I don’t buy into any of the dishonesty of the supposed scholars who have somehow in these latter times found that the Greek text does not mean what all the other scholars before them found it to mean. We’ve had multiple people tell Lori that the commentators she uses are outdated and she should not be using any of them that are before the discovery and translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Well guess what! The Dead Sea Scrolls contain just fragments of many of the OT Books, and none have conclusively been shown to be a piece of an NT book. And it may surprise you to learn that the DSSs actually support all of the major doctrines of the Bible. 

Ironically, one women founded her lack of trust in a post Lori was writing based on her husband who is completing seminary telling her that the DSSs disprove what she was writing about the Proverbs 31 woman. The Dead Sea Scrolls do not even contain Proverbs 31.

The big push is to see the Greek word authentein as meaning domineering, instead of exercise authority over. Go ahead and change the word in the text and it would read: “But I do not allow a woman to teach or be domineering over a man, but to remain quiet.” How is this silent woman who is not to teach men supposed to lead in the church? Or do the words teach and remain silent also have some new interpretation found in ancient manuscripts that God has chosen to hide until now in the age of feminism?

Satan is the master of confusing things and what we are finding is a whole church and churches full of people grasping at straws to try and disprove male leadership in the church. So long as they can throw one small underpinning after another, no matter how spurious it may be, the whole must add up to something… right?

WRONG!

It is completely dishonest to think, believe or teach that the apostle Paul and Peter did not mean exactly what they wrote about male leadership for the church and family. The exercise only bears fruit by confusing the Biblical unlearned and unstable enough to buy into the confusion instead of what the plain text says. The whole of the New Testament writings point definitively to the traditional theology on this matter. Take the Bible apart piece by piece and you still have to admit that:

 Proving that God is not denying women Church leadership is still not proving He desires women in leadership. There is not one passage that is specific to women asking them to lead in the church. And how can they meet the qualification of “the husband of one wife” to be an elder or deacon? 

I was challenged to listen to Dr. Gordon Fee, an NT scholar who advocates for female church leadership yet he is honest with the texts related to male leadership when he says, 

It would have never occurred to him (Paul) to add shame to shame by dismantling the structure of the household… What Paul obviously did not do was to demolish the structures and create new ones. What was radical lay in urging those who are filled with the Spirit to have totally transformed relationships within the household.” Cultural Context of Ephesians 5:18-33

I can agree with Dr. Fee as the Bible speaks loudly that the first of love and self-sacrifice in a Christian marriage belongs to the husband who lays down his life for his wife and family, putting them and their sanctification first and foremost. Where Dr. Fee and I part ways is with his unsupportable jump from affirming God’s Words and the words of Paul concerning male leadership of the household and church, to wiping it all out as “cultural” and “immaterial.” He says,

In the end the structures are all absolutely immaterial since they are predicated on cultural givens that are simply not ours. Indeed, in light of this text the structures are irrelevant. Except that some structure must be in place or the household will fall apart. But these depend largely to the people involved, their own gifting, personalities and how they relater each other.”

In Dr. Fee we find a New Testament scholar who knows that none of the interpretive gymnastics that the egalitarians want to try will work when it comes to wiping out the plain teaching of the text. He clearly understands that the intention of the apostles and early church was to forbid Christian women in authority over a man in the home or in the church. I urge my brothers and sisters in Christ to adopt his honesty concerning the plain reading of the text, and if you still must try to advocate for female leaders/teachers in the church, grab a hold of Dr. Fee’s paint brush of “cultural.” It’s an honest position, even if we believe it to be completely wrong and does violence to the continuity of God’s Word. 

Dr. Fee, how do you know that God did not intend His Word to transcend culture as it has done for 2000 years? If you believe that some structure must exist in the home and the church, as you do, give me your basis for knowledge that God intends the new structures of our culture to be based on gifting, personalities and how we relate to each other? If the male leadership structure is not what God intends for all homes and the church, why didn’t he give us a hint of such a thing coming during the time of Jesus, or in the early church, or in His Word? Instead he gives the opposite, and God is not the author of confusion or guesswork. Our theology is certainly not to be based on a conjecture of “cultural.” And many understand this dilemma. Hence the impossible search to try and find a basis for women leadership in the Word. 

Do you realize that counter-culture Jesus had every opportunity to close this debate by appointing one or two women as His disciples? That God could have closed this issue by having Peter or Paul appoint a couple female elders? Yet now you want us to believe that after all the Church age of male leadership in the church, you have discovered that male leadership is not critical to advancing the kingdom of God on the basis of conjecture alone… no proof from God’s Word. If God leaves such an important issue related to life and godliness open to cultural changes, when do we start accepting homosexual marriages in the church? Is polygamy next as it is far more defensible from the Word than female leadership? The door to the slippery slope is now wide open to all who want to see “culture” as dominant over the clear teaching of the Word.

There are a hundred questions I would like to ask those in Dr. Fee’s camp, but in the end we will reach an impasse because I firmly believe that God’s inerrant Word transcends time in this matter, and that no better model of leadership can exist than to have a godly Christian husband leading his home along with a plurality of men as elders leading the church. And this is not conjecture, but based on God’s perfect Word.

Our God is very clear on what He wants from mankind and His church, and to leave such an important issue completely unsupported by His Word has to make the unbiased student side with  traditional theology on this matter. God indeed wants Christ to be head of all, and husband to be head of his wife and family, and male elders in charge of His Church… just as His Word plainly says it.

You cannot twist the Word to make it say something it does not and arrive at truth. Be careful to heed the apostle Peter’s warning as he defends Paul’s words as true and warns against wresting them away from their natural meaning “to their own destruction.”

And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.
2 Peter 3:15-17

Manipulating Scripture so Women Can Be Preachers of the Word

Manipulating Scripture so Women Can Be Preachers of the Word

Do you want to know why there are so many women standing behind pulpits today and preaching the Word of God when it’s clear that they are not called to do this but instead are commanded to be silent in the churches and not be in authority over men? There is a great manipulation of the Word of God going on right now that feminists have drummed up in order to change the clear commands that they don’t like and don’t want to obey. Many women today despise the teachings of the Apostle Paul.

“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence” (1 Timothy 2:12).—“The whole purpose of these weighty admonitions of the great founder of the Gentile Churches relegates Christian women to their own legitimate sphere of action and influence—the quiet of their own homes” (Ellicot’s Commentary). I love the commentary on this verse since I love being a woman and I love being quiet in my home but I’m sure feminists mock this commentary’s interpretation. They falsely believe these old commentaries are no longer relevant for today.

Gail Wallace is a good example of a woman who does a great job at manipulating and watering down this verse and I will show you how and why she is wrong since it’s becoming more and more common today.

First of all, she states that the word “authority” in this verse is a bad translation. Of course, she must say this in order to do away with women not being in authority over men so this is typically their first line of attack. Go to the Greek and make it say something other than what it states even though every single legitimate version of the Bible uses the word “authority” but for some reason, she knows better, along with all the women who believe the same.

I do want to mention one of the newest versions or perversions of the Bible (International Standard Version) and how it has interpreted this verse: “Moreover, in the area of teaching, I am not allowing a woman to instigate conflict toward a man. Instead, she is to remain calm.” Feminists and women preachers must have written and use this version since they can now freely teach and have authority over men as long as they don’t “instigate conflict toward a man!”  Blech.

Then Mrs. Wallace claims that hardly anyone teaches that women should be silent in the church which I believe is true and shameful. It’s most likely because leaders in the churches fear women. I have been in one church where they take this verse seriously and I enjoyed it very much. I have no desire to speak out in church or have any authority over men in a church setting or anywhere for that matter. Also, just because something isn’t taught in the churches doesn’t mean we shouldn’t obey it! Rarely is submission, temperance (moderation in everything, including eating), modesty, or being a keeper at home taught but we, as godly woman, must obey all of God’s commands.

She uses 1 Timothy 2:14, which she believes couldn’t possible be true, in order to disregard the clear instructions of 1 Timothy 2:12. “And with rare exceptions, no one holds that women are saved in childbearing.” Okay, if this is the case, can we easily pick and choose what verses to believe and which ones to disregard if we don’t understand them completely? No! The meaning of this verse is that women’s place is in the home with their families and/or they will be saved through the birth of Christ. Unlike 1 Timothy 2:14, however, 1 Timothy 2:12 is very easy to understand. Even a child could understand what it means but not feminists apparently and it’s only because they don’t like it.

Next, she wrote, “There is no mention of this in the rest of Paul’s writings, or anywhere else in the Bible for that matter.” Not true. The verse right before this verse: “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.” I’m also not sure how she missed these verses from 1 Corinthians 14:34, 35: “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church” but she most likely has a way to twist them to mean something “enlightened” as well. Priests from the Old Testament, prophets, patriarchs, kings, and Jesus’ disciples (those in authority) were ALL men!

 Then she wrote that the Apostle Paul supported women in leadership positions. Where? She didn’t list any verses or women that Paul specifically supported in leadership positions. Phebe was a “servant of the church” (Romans 16:1 KJV) and Priscilla was never spoken about as in a leadership position either.

“It is baffling to me that some church leaders and theologians give such weight to the 1 Timothy 2 passage when many other portions of scripture support equality.” What other verses support equality in church leadership? Again, no verses to back up her assertions.

“Churches find it impossible to put 1 Timothy 2:12 into practice in a consistent or logical way.” Therefore, we throw out the verse, try to manipulate it to say something it doesn’t, and put women in leadership positions in the church? No! I agree that churches put this verse into practice in different ways or ignore it completely but I have never attended a church with a female elder and never will. I will not listen to a female preacher. I even prefer men leading worship and praying but I know this isn’t popular in today’s feminized, watered-down churches. Just because it’s not practiced in a consistent or logical way doesn’t nullify God’s clear command.

Then Mrs. Wallace also wrote, “I think it’s significant that this is a personal letter written to Timothy and not to the church-at-large.” And why does she believe this? Are women better and more enlightened today than the church he wrote this for? Can we do this with any and all letters the Apostle Paul wrote to the Church? NO! There is zero indication that this letter is not directed to the entire Church of today since He wrote all of his letters for our exhortation, rebuke, encouragement, and teaching under the New Covenant of grace in which we now live since Christ’s death and resurrection.

“At the same time, God is raising women up all over the world today in all kinds of arenas, including the church.” No, Mrs. Wallace, God isn’t raising up any women in the Church to be leaders. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. It doesn’t mean that women are any less valuable to the Kingdom of God. It simply means that God has a different and unique will and calling for women.

Now for some wisdom from the Matthew Henry Commentary about this verse: “According to St. Paul, women are not allowed to be public teachers in the church; for teaching is an office of authority. But good women may and ought to teach their children at home the principles of true religion.”  Yes, women, we are not to be public teachers in the church nor in authority over men. Older women are instructed to teach younger women the ways of godly womanhood but other than this, I believe all teaching in the Church should be taught by men.

This is from a newer commentary that was written in 1992: “Paul’s main concern in this section is proper order within the church. Men, he writes, should pray and teach. Women should adorn themselves modestly and do good works, but they should not be teaching publicly or leading men. Verse 15 explains what their primary concern should be: ‘childbearing.’ Thus, it means that much of God’s judgment of women will be based on how well they perform their God-given role in bearing children.”

 Some churches allow women to pray, share their testimonies, and of course, sing and praise the Lord since none of these fall specifically under teaching or being in authority over men. However, we are told that women should be silent in the church also, so if 1 Timothy 2:11, 12 is not taught in your church and what all this includes, come to your own convictions about how silent in the church that you should be after careful consideration of the Word and ask your husband what he believes to be true. I prefer to err on the side of being too silent than not be silent enough.

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1 Timothy 2:11

***For anyone who has a question about women prophesying in the church, here is a post I did on this subject.

Should Women Bloggers/Speakers Be Held Accountable?

Should Women Bloggers/Speakers Be Held Accountable?

There is a “Christian” woman blogger who had a post go viral recently. She’s a great writer so I went back to her beginning posts. Every post was filled with Bible verses and were about the LORD. She has many children but recently she divorced her husband. Now in her recent posts, she never mentions the name of the LORD nor quotes Scripture yet thousands of women are reading her words.

Warren B. Smith wrote, “And it is, indeed, very disturbing to see many Christian leaders today using many of the same words and expressions commonly used by their ‘new gospel’ counterparts. ‘New revelation’ describing how a great ‘move of God’ is going to take believers ‘pregnant with destiny’ to ‘a new spiritual level’ and into a ‘new dimension’ sounds a lot more like the ‘new gospel’ than the traditional Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Were we already witnessing the great ‘falling away’ predicted in the Bible? Was the ‘mystery of iniquity’ talked about in the Scriptures already doing its deceptive work with ‘all power and signs and lying wonders’ . . . ? Would people calling themselves Christians abandon their faith in the Bible and the Bible’s Christ? Would they join an ecumenical movement that in the name of love and God and unity would sacrifice the truth of the Bible and perhaps one day merge with the new age itself?”

I have noticed a troubling trend among women today; they read and follow other women who proclaim “truth” as they see it since it is more acceptable and palatable, instead of learning from older women teaching what older women are commanded to teach the younger women and godly men teaching the Word of God. Therefore, few women have godly wisdom while most just want their ears tickled instead.

My questions becomes, “How many of the big time female bloggers are teaching women to love and obey their husbands, love their children, be chaste, discreet, sober, keepers at home, and good?” There are very few of us, unfortunately.

Even when we do, it’s good for us to have a godly husband making sure that what we write is biblically accurate and be accountable to him. We aren’t supposed to be an island to ourselves. We are told to exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin (Hebrews 3:13).

It seems the woman who divorced her husband and no longer writes anything about the LORD has been hardened through the deceitfulness of sin as some of the other big time blogging women. It’s the same with the famous female bloggers who endorse gay marriage, female preachers, and other things that are forbidden in the Word or make up words or movements that aren’t in God’s Word. Knowing that women are more easily deceived, we need to be held accountable for the things we write, especially when we have a large platform of teaching many women.

What are the qualifications for teaching other women in the Bible? “The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;” (Titus 2:3) and then it is listed what they are to teach the younger women.

Two older women who I greatly admire and love learning from are Debi Pearl and Nancy Campbell. They are considered “aged” women with a lot of wisdom and experience. They have both been married many years and have raised godly offspring. Their husbands are involved in teaching the Word to others and these women live in submission to their husbands’ leadership. They are help meets to their husbands. They are keepers at home and modest. They are women worthy to look up to by following their example.

I also love that they teach about nutrition by eating healthy food and caring for our temples of the Holy Spirit. They focus upon teaching all aspects of godly womanhood and exhorting women to obey God’s clear commands to them. These are the types of women we should all be learning from since they have been time-tested and shown to be above reproach.

Do you all understand how powerful the Church today would be as a force for salt and light in our wicked culture if all of the older women who love the Lord were teaching these things to the younger women?

 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
Titus 2:4, 5

Bringing Clarity to Women in Ministry

Bringing Clarity to Women in Ministry

One man tried to convince me that women should be able to preach and teach men from an article written by David Scholer at Fuller Seminar called Women in Ministry. I handed this over to Ken to answer!

Lori asked me to take your comment. I was accepted at both Fuller and Talbot back in in 1979 and chose Talbot over Fuller precisely because Fuller, was in my opinion, and that of many other Christians, joining the Slippery Slope warned of by Howard Lindsell in his book, Battle for the Bible. Once the authority of the Word is undermined, it leads to what we find in the church today conveniently picking and choosing what it wants to believe.

 If one accepts what Scholer is saying in his article that forms the basis of Fuller’s doctrinal position on women in ministry, God in His infinite wisdom did not see fit to give us a clear understanding of what role women were to have in the church, and furthermore, the church missed God’s real message for 2,000 years. But this professor and others finally got God’s message, which comes ironically at exactly the time feminism is taking our culture by storm. What a coincidence!

It is not that I disagree with everything Scholer is writing as the Kingdom of God is wide open to all for ministry, young or old, male or female, single or married, and there is indeed no distinction in God’s kingdom between the value of genders.  All believers are called to evangelism, apologetics, serving others, and all the gifts are open to both genders.

Our position is not against women in ministry, but rather that any woman in ministry simply must heed the apostle’s clear and direct prohibition,

“I do not permit a woman to teach nor to exercise authority over a man” (I Timothy 2:12).

I would assume it is easy to understand why we hold this position, and I am baffled by those who are upset with us over it when it is the position of the church for almost 2,000 years. We are told by some to pray that God might show us “the hidden meaning” in the Word to see that the plain teaching of the Word on this matter and church history are no longer to be followed.

Space does not permit me to take on all of Scholar’s article, and again, we agree with much of it concerning women in ministry, but we must protest his fundamental conclusions as dishonest. I know his intent was biblical scholarship, but the result was nothing more than we see from many others who try make A + B = 23 when A and B are not even numbers. Inference and supposition can never wipe out a clear message from God on a matter, especially not one that is this important. Here are four of his main arguments that are invalid, especially when trying to eliminate something so clearly stated in God’s Word and defended by the whole of Church history.

Scholar takes on Paul’s appeal to the creation story as the first leg of his attack. Essentially, Scholer wants us to believe that Paul was simply wrong when he wrote, “For Adam was formed first, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression” (I Timothy 2:13-14). I wonder how many other things the apostle was simply wrong about in God’s inspired Word?

Many do not realize this, but it is vital for Scholer and others to try and wipe out what Paul says here, because if what Paul is saying is true, then the whole argument that Paul’s admonition is cultural gets wiped out by Paul’s own explanation right there in the context. Paul’s defense of his admonition is not to appeal to anything in the culture of the day but goes to the very first culture ever, creation. Paul says that women are not to teach men or lead them; First, because it is God’s order of things; and second, because Eve was deceived and Adam was not. This may reflect that women can be more easily deceived, or is a result of the curse of the fall, but either way, by Paul defending his admonition with the creation story it wipes out any argument that what he is saying is “cultural.”

Scholer writes:

“The word ‘helper,’ then, is not to be understood as an expression of submission and service to man; rather, the woman as helper serves God with man.”

So to Scholer, Eve was not to be Adam’s helper but was to be God’s helper. He argues that God is called our Helper in 29 places in scripture so Eve’s position as helper should not be seen as service to her husband.  Of course the whole church for 2,000 years missed this important point.

Scholar goes on and says,

“The statements of judgment for disobedience (Genesis 3:14–19) are descriptive ones of future realities, which involved a supremacy/subjection relationship between man and woman. These statements are not creation mandates; rather, the relationship of  mutuality, partnership, and equality portrayed in Genesis 1:1–3:7 is now sadly marred by sin.”

Okay, let’s assume that God’s original design of mutuality, partnership, and equality is sadly marred by sin, why didn’t Jesus and the apostles, or God in His Word, address that this should change in the church and tell us directly that women may teach and lead men? Just a few examples might have done it, but certainly a direct command would have changed Church history forever. Instead, God’s Word says the exact opposite of what Scholer is advocating.

The third leg of Scholer’s argument we have no issue with on its surface:

 “Jesus’s inclusion of and ministry to and through women within his own life and teaching were a powerful witness to the early church of the partnership of women and men within its membership and ministry.”

Jesus certainly did raise the status of women in His day and treated them with respect. Christ and Christianity has done more for women than any other religion or manner of thought. Women are indeed, as person, equal with men yet created different for different roles. God also outlined an order of things, not because He favors man, but because it is what is His best for the church and society.

The fact that women gave the first news of the resurrection or that the Samaritan woman evangelized her whole town, is not preaching or teaching.  Just because the church desperately needs women in ministry, and God greatly uses women in ministry, does not invalidate what God’s Word clearly teaches about woman not to teach men or exercise authority over a man.

Unfortunately, Scholer is being intellectually dishonest here to try to get things the way he wants them to be and not what the Word teaches. How do we know this? If God intended for female leadership home and church He had every opportunity to set the record straight throughout history by elevating women into leadership, as Kings and priests in Judaism, as disciples of Jesus, as elders in the early church, as pastors, priests and church leaders throughout history. The “many” examples Scholer and others refer to throughout history could all be named on less than half a page.

One may be able to, as Scholar does, go grasping for straws on this question and find a Deborah and Priscilla, even a Phoebe, Junas, add them all up and assume they were ministers, you will not find one who is said to be a leader of a church, in a church, or teaching a man. Not one. And among these “few” women in ministries, not one can be shown to teach a man or exercise authority over him in the church. No not one of the six to ten women that can be named.

Now we have the apostle Paul, God’s top theologian, writing authoritatively, “Let wives submit to their own husbands in everything” and “I do not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man.” It’s not like this important correction Scholer is arguing for could not have been made when Paul taught us about the home and church leadership. Yet instead of being inclusive of women as elders, Paul wrote an elder is to be, The husband of one wife!”

On all counts, and every turn of history, Scholer wants us to believe that God in his infinite wisdom allowed a mistake in understanding the Christian woman’s role in the church … until now of course, in the age of liberation and feminism. This is in direct contradiction to what the apostle Paul writes, but Scholer has discovered by “many inferences” the truth, long hidden from the church. Truth that is setting countless women free to teach men and lead churches, all the while rarely, if ever teaching what God’s Word commands them to teach to the younger women. Because if they followed it, it would wipe out most of their ministries as God commands the older women to:

 “teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed” (Titus 2:4-5).

 In conclusion, God has always been quite clear and the church has been clear. Scholar and all the others who want to define women’s equality as not having to accept male leadership in their home or church are being dishonest with the Word, history and themselves. The best one can do on this subject from the view Scholar is taking is to be honest enough to accept that God’s intent was indeed male leadership and yet, somehow in these latter days, God has poured out His Spirit and gifted women to do something that goes clearly contrary to His Word.

This is very dangerous ground, as what else is God no longer holding to in His Word? Is gay marriage and polygamy next? Will God adapt His will and desires as cultural mores change, or are we to be salt and light, fixed upon the narrow road given by His inspired and inerrant Word? Unfortunately, once started the church and parachurch organizations seem bent on sliding down the slippery slope of making modern culture authoritative over God’s Word.

If Jesus can go to a cross fulfilling each and every word God had spoken, we should be doing the same, even when it doesn’t fit with our desires and what we think of as potential in life. After all is said and done, Jesus and God’s Word are inseparable. Let’s not let the latest feminist outcry push us into “culturally” making God’s Word and church history all wrong on this important matter. Instead, let’s assume that ALL Christian women, especially those gifted in teaching, do indeed have a great place in God’s ministries, but it is not in teaching men or exercising authority over them in the church.

If women are to teach, they should make it a priority to teach that which God instructs them to teach other women how to be great wives. moms and keepers at home.  This is the message sorely lacking in our modern churches, not one more Biblical expositor, no matter how gifted or talented she may be in public speaking and motivation. These things are not the gifts of the Spirit, but human gifts, now mistakenly used to lead many women away from their primary roles, hence helping Satan achieve His ends as feminism wreaks havoc on our Christian families, and often their own family.

For what does it profit a woman pastor/teacher if she merits the whole church, but loses her family and the next generation of godly children?

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Mark 8:36

Bad Mouthing Women Preachers

Bad Mouthing Women Preachers

There are many popular women preachers today. This isn’t biblical. God gave men the mandate to preach and teach the Word. Many twist Scripture and believe it is okay since these women are winning people to the Lord. One man, I will call Ben, wrote this comment on a post I wrote about a female preacher: “I became a born again Christian man after being ministered to by a woman. She baptized me shortly afterwards. This woman was clearly sent by God to reach a lost man. How many thousands of men have Joyce Meyer and Beth Moore led to the Lord and here they are bad mouthed because of it. I believe at that time it was just a custom for woman not to minister just like it was a custom not for a man to have long hair. Be careful not to become legalistic at the expense of loosing souls. Let Christ be preached by men, women, boys, and girls.”

Lisa Bevere, a very popular teacher/preacher, wrote this on her Facebook page the other day: “I remember I used to hear all of these as reasons why women shouldn’t be allowed to preach; my friend never limit yourself to a man-made label. Find freedom in the identity and life Jesus purchased for you. He restores that which was lost at the fall. Whatever it is you have need of, go to the Word of God and get it.” It was under a poster of hers that read, “Never resign yourself to a designation of unfit, gullible, and easy to deceive.”

God is the one who said that woman are easily deceived and He is the One who created us. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression (1 Timothy 2:14). This is one of the reasons He gave for women to not teach nor be in authority over men but be silent in the church. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence (1 Timothy 2:12). For this reason, I will never listen or learn from Lisa. I encourage you not to either since she mocks the clear teaching of the Word of God as many popular women teachers/preachers do today.

These women may be “winning” people to the Lord but they are disobeying God’s clear commands in the mean time. We should never believe that it is okay to disregard and disobey God just because our ministry is successful. Everything must be measured by the Word of God.

Another man wrote this comment in response to Ben’s comment: “I hope you are well. Your argument about if Beth Moore’s works were not blessed by God it would of dried up a long time ago is incorrect. Mormons, Islam, Jehovah’s Witnesses, to name a few, are still here and increasing in numbers. Why haven’t their works dried up? You can’t understand God fully. Praise be to God that He gave us His love letter, His Word and ONLY His Word is our standard. To be for God and follow Jesus is to check everything with God’s Word.

Sorry to say Beth Moore does not measure up. Reading your comment, I honestly don’t think you grasped exactly what Josh (another man’s comment) was saying. He was saying that God has laid out the pattern for who is to teach and who is not, and Beth Moore violates that pattern. Even without all of her heresy, let alone her association with known false teachers, that alone is enough to call her out. This is ‘pointing fingers,’ it’s simply speaking the truth. If that is judging then I guess Jesus, the apostle Paul, Peter, James, and any one else who pointed false teachers are judging as well.”

Why do I name these women who are unashamedly disobeying or adding things to the the clear teachings of the Word? In order to warn all of you women who are learning from them. Compromising on parts of the Word that one doesn’t like is a slippery slope and is not a slope you want to be on. I have seen too many abandon their faith due to believing untruths and I don’t want this to happen to you.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Timothy 4:3, 4

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Is God Raising Up Women to Preach?

Is God Raising Up Women to Preach?

“Could it be that the state of American Christianity is that men have been neglecting their God-given responsibility for generations and now there are not many truly worthy men of God available so the Lord Almighty is raising up women who are seeking after His own heart just like He did in the days of Deborah?..I know without a doubt that there is now no longer male nor female, Jew nor Greek, because we all have full access to the Almighty God because not everyone is willing to enter through the narrow gate of Christ and living out his humility, love and sacrifice…Written scripture is a gift and very valuable tool to point to Christ, but it is simply that. We can’t have a relationship with a thing although many people in church are dedicated solely to the pursuit of knowledge…However, the bible is truly not necessary as evidenced by the growth of the Body of Christ in parts of the world where bibles are either illegal or simply not available…One of the greatest three word sermons was given to and delivered by a woman. ‘He is risen’. That’s in the bible too.”

This was a comment I received from a woman. I have heard all these arguments why women should be able to preach and teach the Word of God and why the words written my Paul are no longer applicable for today. There’s nothing new under the sun!

Are men “neglecting their God-given responsibility” so God has to raise women up? No, I know of many good and godly men who are preaching and teaching the Word of God. Even if there weren’t, this is not an excuse for women to disobey the clear commands of the Word.

What about Deborah? She was a judge over Israel who lived during Old Testament times. The Church wasn’t even formed then since Christ had not been crucified and risen. The Church age began after this and the Apostle Paul and other writers of the New Testament explained to us how the Church is to function. They were clear that women are not to teach nor usurp authority over men and be silent in the church. They wrote that the elders and deacons are to be “the husband of one wife.” They couldn’t have been any clearer and they spoke by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

She is correct that there is no longer male or female when it comes to Christ’s finished work on the cross. What this means is that all who believe, no matter what sex, race, or nationality, will be saved from eternal damnation. It doesn’t diminish the roles that are clearly defined in the Word and for the Church, however. We still have different roles and they are good.

Then she discounts the authority of the Scriptures by calling it a “thing” and has decided to make up her own bible. God told us that His Word (the Bible) is living and active and sharper than a two-edged sword (Hebrews 4:12)! It is the same today as it was when it was written. Reading and studying the Word isn’t only solely a pursuit of knowledge as she claimed, but a pursuit of wisdom as well. Then she further tries to discount it by saying that since some in the world don’t have access to it, it must not be that necessary. Then why are so many trying to smuggle Bibles into these countries that have forbidden the Bible? Because they know that the Bible is God’s unchanging Word and life-changing.

Finally, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary did not preach a sermon to the disciples, as many claim today. They were told by the angel to go and tell the disciples that Christ had risen. When we see something amazing and go tell other people about it, we are not preaching. We are sharing what we have seen. Many women use this as a justification that women should be able to preach. I have heard Joyce Meyer use this one! Women can share what they have seen but they are not allowed to stand in front of a church service and preach nor have authority over men.

 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Timothy 2:11-14

Women “Occasionally” Teaching Men

Women “Occasionally” Teaching Men

After my post about Nancy Wolgemuth watering down the topic of keepers at home, someone alerted me to the fact that she teaches men. I looked on Nancy’s site and this is what I found:

“At the same time, Nancy does not believe that occasional teaching by women in mixed audiences is inappropriate, as long as two things are clear. First, that it is taking place under the headship of male spiritual authority. (The word translated have authority means ‘to exercise authority on one’s own account; to domineer over—one who acts on his own authority; to have dominion.’) And, second, as long as the woman involved is not put in a position of ongoing responsibility for the spiritual direction of men. (The word translated to teach in 1 Timothy 2:12 is in a tense that indicates ongoing instruction.)”

The problem I have with this statement is that the Bible doesn’t give these two exceptions for women teaching men. This is what God’s Word has to say about it:

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression” (1 Timothy 2 :11-14). And “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law” (1 Corinthians 14:33, 34). 

I don’t see anywhere that women can teach men IF they are placed under the headship of male authority OR that teaching means ongoing instruction. With the admonition for women to be silent, ask their husbands at home, and women aren’t to teach nor be in authority over men because the man was created first and women are more easily deceived, the Apostle Paul was VERY clear what God’s intentions for women are concerning teaching men. As many of you know, I have even come to be convicted about not teaching women the Word (doctrine) because if one of the stipulations for women not teaching men is that they can be easily deceived, why should we be teaching women solid doctrine and may even be leading women into deception?

God is very clear what He wants women teaching women in Titus 2:4, 5. Yes, there are many other parts of Scripture that relate back to these verses and a woman’s role in the home and church but it doesn’t seem like much of a guessing game to me. Jesus chose twelve male disciples. Men wrote all of the books of the Bible and were the priests. God has chosen men to teach the clear Word of God and so we should point women who want to deeply study the Word to godly male preachers/teachers because there are some great ones out there! (Here is one called Hindrances to Holiness.)

In seeing how Nancy has watered down keepers at home and women teaching men, I want to make sure you know that I still firmly believe she is a sister in Christ. She teaches many great things but you all must be Bereans, even with what I teach, and search the Scripture to see if everything we teach is according to His Word. It is the Bible that is our final authority, not a teacher/preacher.

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Acts 17:11