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Bringing Clarity to Women in Ministry

Bringing Clarity to Women in Ministry

One man tried to convince me that women should be able to preach and teach men from an article written by David Scholer at Fuller Seminar called Women in Ministry. I handed this over to Ken to answer!

Lori asked me to take your comment. I was accepted at both Fuller and Talbot back in in 1979 and chose Talbot over Fuller precisely because Fuller, was in my opinion, and that of many other Christians, joining the Slippery Slope warned of by Howard Lindsell in his book, Battle for the Bible. Once the authority of the Word is undermined, it leads to what we find in the church today conveniently picking and choosing what it wants to believe.

 If one accepts what Scholer is saying in his article that forms the basis of Fuller’s doctrinal position on women in ministry, God in His infinite wisdom did not see fit to give us a clear understanding of what role women were to have in the church, and furthermore, the church missed God’s real message for 2,000 years. But this professor and others finally got God’s message, which comes ironically at exactly the time feminism is taking our culture by storm. What a coincidence!

It is not that I disagree with everything Scholer is writing as the Kingdom of God is wide open to all for ministry, young or old, male or female, single or married, and there is indeed no distinction in God’s kingdom between the value of genders.  All believers are called to evangelism, apologetics, serving others, and all the gifts are open to both genders.

Our position is not against women in ministry, but rather that any woman in ministry simply must heed the apostle’s clear and direct prohibition,

“I do not permit a woman to teach nor to exercise authority over a man” (I Timothy 2:12).

I would assume it is easy to understand why we hold this position, and I am baffled by those who are upset with us over it when it is the position of the church for almost 2,000 years. We are told by some to pray that God might show us “the hidden meaning” in the Word to see that the plain teaching of the Word on this matter and church history are no longer to be followed.

Space does not permit me to take on all of Scholar’s article, and again, we agree with much of it concerning women in ministry, but we must protest his fundamental conclusions as dishonest. I know his intent was biblical scholarship, but the result was nothing more than we see from many others who try make A + B = 23 when A and B are not even numbers. Inference and supposition can never wipe out a clear message from God on a matter, especially not one that is this important. Here are four of his main arguments that are invalid, especially when trying to eliminate something so clearly stated in God’s Word and defended by the whole of Church history.

Scholar takes on Paul’s appeal to the creation story as the first leg of his attack. Essentially, Scholer wants us to believe that Paul was simply wrong when he wrote, “For Adam was formed first, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression” (I Timothy 2:13-14). I wonder how many other things the apostle was simply wrong about in God’s inspired Word?

Many do not realize this, but it is vital for Scholer and others to try and wipe out what Paul says here, because if what Paul is saying is true, then the whole argument that Paul’s admonition is cultural gets wiped out by Paul’s own explanation right there in the context. Paul’s defense of his admonition is not to appeal to anything in the culture of the day but goes to the very first culture ever, creation. Paul says that women are not to teach men or lead them; First, because it is God’s order of things; and second, because Eve was deceived and Adam was not. This may reflect that women can be more easily deceived, or is a result of the curse of the fall, but either way, by Paul defending his admonition with the creation story it wipes out any argument that what he is saying is “cultural.”

Scholer writes:

“The word ‘helper,’ then, is not to be understood as an expression of submission and service to man; rather, the woman as helper serves God with man.”

So to Scholer, Eve was not to be Adam’s helper but was to be God’s helper. He argues that God is called our Helper in 29 places in scripture so Eve’s position as helper should not be seen as service to her husband.  Of course the whole church for 2,000 years missed this important point.

Scholar goes on and says,

“The statements of judgment for disobedience (Genesis 3:14–19) are descriptive ones of future realities, which involved a supremacy/subjection relationship between man and woman. These statements are not creation mandates; rather, the relationship of  mutuality, partnership, and equality portrayed in Genesis 1:1–3:7 is now sadly marred by sin.”

Okay, let’s assume that God’s original design of mutuality, partnership, and equality is sadly marred by sin, why didn’t Jesus and the apostles, or God in His Word, address that this should change in the church and tell us directly that women may teach and lead men? Just a few examples might have done it, but certainly a direct command would have changed Church history forever. Instead, God’s Word says the exact opposite of what Scholer is advocating.

The third leg of Scholer’s argument we have no issue with on its surface:

 “Jesus’s inclusion of and ministry to and through women within his own life and teaching were a powerful witness to the early church of the partnership of women and men within its membership and ministry.”

Jesus certainly did raise the status of women in His day and treated them with respect. Christ and Christianity has done more for women than any other religion or manner of thought. Women are indeed, as person, equal with men yet created different for different roles. God also outlined an order of things, not because He favors man, but because it is what is His best for the church and society.

The fact that women gave the first news of the resurrection or that the Samaritan woman evangelized her whole town, is not preaching or teaching.  Just because the church desperately needs women in ministry, and God greatly uses women in ministry, does not invalidate what God’s Word clearly teaches about woman not to teach men or exercise authority over a man.

Unfortunately, Scholer is being intellectually dishonest here to try to get things the way he wants them to be and not what the Word teaches. How do we know this? If God intended for female leadership home and church He had every opportunity to set the record straight throughout history by elevating women into leadership, as Kings and priests in Judaism, as disciples of Jesus, as elders in the early church, as pastors, priests and church leaders throughout history. The “many” examples Scholer and others refer to throughout history could all be named on less than half a page.

One may be able to, as Scholar does, go grasping for straws on this question and find a Deborah and Priscilla, even a Phoebe, Junas, add them all up and assume they were ministers, you will not find one who is said to be a leader of a church, in a church, or teaching a man. Not one. And among these “few” women in ministries, not one can be shown to teach a man or exercise authority over him in the church. No not one of the six to ten women that can be named.

Now we have the apostle Paul, God’s top theologian, writing authoritatively, “Let wives submit to their own husbands in everything” and “I do not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man.” It’s not like this important correction Scholer is arguing for could not have been made when Paul taught us about the home and church leadership. Yet instead of being inclusive of women as elders, Paul wrote an elder is to be, The husband of one wife!”

On all counts, and every turn of history, Scholer wants us to believe that God in his infinite wisdom allowed a mistake in understanding the Christian woman’s role in the church … until now of course, in the age of liberation and feminism. This is in direct contradiction to what the apostle Paul writes, but Scholer has discovered by “many inferences” the truth, long hidden from the church. Truth that is setting countless women free to teach men and lead churches, all the while rarely, if ever teaching what God’s Word commands them to teach to the younger women. Because if they followed it, it would wipe out most of their ministries as God commands the older women to:

 “teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed” (Titus 2:4-5).

 In conclusion, God has always been quite clear and the church has been clear. Scholar and all the others who want to define women’s equality as not having to accept male leadership in their home or church are being dishonest with the Word, history and themselves. The best one can do on this subject from the view Scholar is taking is to be honest enough to accept that God’s intent was indeed male leadership and yet, somehow in these latter days, God has poured out His Spirit and gifted women to do something that goes clearly contrary to His Word.

This is very dangerous ground, as what else is God no longer holding to in His Word? Is gay marriage and polygamy next? Will God adapt His will and desires as cultural mores change, or are we to be salt and light, fixed upon the narrow road given by His inspired and inerrant Word? Unfortunately, once started the church and parachurch organizations seem bent on sliding down the slippery slope of making modern culture authoritative over God’s Word.

If Jesus can go to a cross fulfilling each and every word God had spoken, we should be doing the same, even when it doesn’t fit with our desires and what we think of as potential in life. After all is said and done, Jesus and God’s Word are inseparable. Let’s not let the latest feminist outcry push us into “culturally” making God’s Word and church history all wrong on this important matter. Instead, let’s assume that ALL Christian women, especially those gifted in teaching, do indeed have a great place in God’s ministries, but it is not in teaching men or exercising authority over them in the church.

If women are to teach, they should make it a priority to teach that which God instructs them to teach other women how to be great wives. moms and keepers at home.  This is the message sorely lacking in our modern churches, not one more Biblical expositor, no matter how gifted or talented she may be in public speaking and motivation. These things are not the gifts of the Spirit, but human gifts, now mistakenly used to lead many women away from their primary roles, hence helping Satan achieve His ends as feminism wreaks havoc on our Christian families, and often their own family.

For what does it profit a woman pastor/teacher if she merits the whole church, but loses her family and the next generation of godly children?

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Mark 8:36

Bad Mouthing Women Preachers

Bad Mouthing Women Preachers

There are many popular women preachers today. This isn’t biblical. God gave men the mandate to preach and teach the Word. Many twist Scripture and believe it is okay since these women are winning people to the Lord. One man, I will call Ben, wrote this comment on a post I wrote about a female preacher: “I became a born again Christian man after being ministered to by a woman. She baptized me shortly afterwards. This woman was clearly sent by God to reach a lost man. How many thousands of men have Joyce Meyer and Beth Moore led to the Lord and here they are bad mouthed because of it. I believe at that time it was just a custom for woman not to minister just like it was a custom not for a man to have long hair. Be careful not to become legalistic at the expense of loosing souls. Let Christ be preached by men, women, boys, and girls.”

Lisa Bevere, a very popular teacher/preacher, wrote this on her Facebook page the other day: “I remember I used to hear all of these as reasons why women shouldn’t be allowed to preach; my friend never limit yourself to a man-made label. Find freedom in the identity and life Jesus purchased for you. He restores that which was lost at the fall. Whatever it is you have need of, go to the Word of God and get it.” It was under a poster of hers that read, “Never resign yourself to a designation of unfit, gullible, and easy to deceive.”

God is the one who said that woman are easily deceived and He is the One who created us. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression (1 Timothy 2:14). This is one of the reasons He gave for women to not teach nor be in authority over men but be silent in the church. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence (1 Timothy 2:12). For this reason, I will never listen or learn from Lisa. I encourage you not to either since she mocks the clear teaching of the Word of God as many popular women teachers/preachers do today.

These women may be “winning” people to the Lord but they are disobeying God’s clear commands in the mean time. We should never believe that it is okay to disregard and disobey God just because our ministry is successful. Everything must be measured by the Word of God.

Another man wrote this comment in response to Ben’s comment: “I hope you are well. Your argument about if Beth Moore’s works were not blessed by God it would of dried up a long time ago is incorrect. Mormons, Islam, Jehovah’s Witnesses, to name a few, are still here and increasing in numbers. Why haven’t their works dried up? You can’t understand God fully. Praise be to God that He gave us His love letter, His Word and ONLY His Word is our standard. To be for God and follow Jesus is to check everything with God’s Word.

Sorry to say Beth Moore does not measure up. Reading your comment, I honestly don’t think you grasped exactly what Josh (another man’s comment) was saying. He was saying that God has laid out the pattern for who is to teach and who is not, and Beth Moore violates that pattern. Even without all of her heresy, let alone her association with known false teachers, that alone is enough to call her out. This is ‘pointing fingers,’ it’s simply speaking the truth. If that is judging then I guess Jesus, the apostle Paul, Peter, James, and any one else who pointed false teachers are judging as well.”

Why do I name these women who are unashamedly disobeying or adding things to the the clear teachings of the Word? In order to warn all of you women who are learning from them. Compromising on parts of the Word that one doesn’t like is a slippery slope and is not a slope you want to be on. I have seen too many abandon their faith due to believing untruths and I don’t want this to happen to you.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Timothy 4:3, 4

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Is God Raising Up Women to Preach?

Is God Raising Up Women to Preach?

“Could it be that the state of American Christianity is that men have been neglecting their God-given responsibility for generations and now there are not many truly worthy men of God available so the Lord Almighty is raising up women who are seeking after His own heart just like He did in the days of Deborah?..I know without a doubt that there is now no longer male nor female, Jew nor Greek, because we all have full access to the Almighty God because not everyone is willing to enter through the narrow gate of Christ and living out his humility, love and sacrifice…Written scripture is a gift and very valuable tool to point to Christ, but it is simply that. We can’t have a relationship with a thing although many people in church are dedicated solely to the pursuit of knowledge…However, the bible is truly not necessary as evidenced by the growth of the Body of Christ in parts of the world where bibles are either illegal or simply not available…One of the greatest three word sermons was given to and delivered by a woman. ‘He is risen’. That’s in the bible too.”

This was a comment I received from a woman. I have heard all these arguments why women should be able to preach and teach the Word of God and why the words written my Paul are no longer applicable for today. There’s nothing new under the sun!

Are men “neglecting their God-given responsibility” so God has to raise women up? No, I know of many good and godly men who are preaching and teaching the Word of God. Even if there weren’t, this is not an excuse for women to disobey the clear commands of the Word.

What about Deborah? She was a judge over Israel who lived during Old Testament times. The Church wasn’t even formed then since Christ had not been crucified and risen. The Church age began after this and the Apostle Paul and other writers of the New Testament explained to us how the Church is to function. They were clear that women are not to teach nor usurp authority over men and be silent in the church. They wrote that the elders and deacons are to be “the husband of one wife.” They couldn’t have been any clearer and they spoke by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

She is correct that there is no longer male or female when it comes to Christ’s finished work on the cross. What this means is that all who believe, no matter what sex, race, or nationality, will be saved from eternal damnation. It doesn’t diminish the roles that are clearly defined in the Word and for the Church, however. We still have different roles and they are good.

Then she discounts the authority of the Scriptures by calling it a “thing” and has decided to make up her own bible. God told us that His Word (the Bible) is living and active and sharper than a two-edged sword (Hebrews 4:12)! It is the same today as it was when it was written. Reading and studying the Word isn’t only solely a pursuit of knowledge as she claimed, but a pursuit of wisdom as well. Then she further tries to discount it by saying that since some in the world don’t have access to it, it must not be that necessary. Then why are so many trying to smuggle Bibles into these countries that have forbidden the Bible? Because they know that the Bible is God’s unchanging Word and life-changing.

Finally, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary did not preach a sermon to the disciples, as many claim today. They were told by the angel to go and tell the disciples that Christ had risen. When we see something amazing and go tell other people about it, we are not preaching. We are sharing what we have seen. Many women use this as a justification that women should be able to preach. I have heard Joyce Meyer use this one! Women can share what they have seen but they are not allowed to stand in front of a church service and preach nor have authority over men.

 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Timothy 2:11-14

Women “Occasionally” Teaching Men

Women “Occasionally” Teaching Men

After my post about Nancy Wolgemuth watering down the topic of keepers at home, someone alerted me to the fact that she teaches men. I looked on Nancy’s site and this is what I found:

“At the same time, Nancy does not believe that occasional teaching by women in mixed audiences is inappropriate, as long as two things are clear. First, that it is taking place under the headship of male spiritual authority. (The word translated have authority means ‘to exercise authority on one’s own account; to domineer over—one who acts on his own authority; to have dominion.’) And, second, as long as the woman involved is not put in a position of ongoing responsibility for the spiritual direction of men. (The word translated to teach in 1 Timothy 2:12 is in a tense that indicates ongoing instruction.)”

The problem I have with this statement is that the Bible doesn’t give these two exceptions for women teaching men. This is what God’s Word has to say about it:

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression” (1 Timothy 2 :11-14). And “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law” (1 Corinthians 14:33, 34). 

I don’t see anywhere that women can teach men IF they are placed under the headship of male authority OR that teaching means ongoing instruction. With the admonition for women to be silent, ask their husbands at home, and women aren’t to teach nor be in authority over men because the man was created first and women are more easily deceived, the Apostle Paul was VERY clear what God’s intentions for women are concerning teaching men. As many of you know, I have even come to be convicted about not teaching women the Word (doctrine) because if one of the stipulations for women not teaching men is that they can be easily deceived, why should we be teaching women solid doctrine and may even be leading women into deception?

God is very clear what He wants women teaching women in Titus 2:4, 5. Yes, there are many other parts of Scripture that relate back to these verses and a woman’s role in the home and church but it doesn’t seem like much of a guessing game to me. Jesus chose twelve male disciples. Men wrote all of the books of the Bible and were the priests. God has chosen men to teach the clear Word of God and so we should point women who want to deeply study the Word to godly male preachers/teachers because there are some great ones out there! (Here is one called Hindrances to Holiness.)

In seeing how Nancy has watered down keepers at home and women teaching men, I want to make sure you know that I still firmly believe she is a sister in Christ. She teaches many great things but you all must be Bereans, even with what I teach, and search the Scripture to see if everything we teach is according to His Word. It is the Bible that is our final authority, not a teacher/preacher.

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Acts 17:11

The Jezebels Among Us

The Jezebels Among Us

There are many women preachers/teachers/authors out there these days who have “special revelations” from God. God spoke to them, they claim, as if God’s Word isn’t enough for them. Many women love these women preachers, attend their conferences, and believe these Jezebels must be so godly because they “hear from God” even though most of the women in the audience never do, thus they feel inferior and less godly. These Jezebels falsely believe that the words they heard from God are for others so they preach/teach and even write books about Jesus talking to through them. Beware, women!

Hebrews 1:1, 2 is clear that God in times past spoke through prophets but in these last days, He has spoken through Jesus Christ. “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds.” Everything we need for life and godliness are in His Word and we are warned at the end of Revelation about anyone adding to or subtracting from His Word (Revelation 22:18, 19).

Revelation 2:20 speaks about this woman Jezebel so I thought I would look up in the commentaries to see what godly men who studied the Word had to say about her. “If the above view be right, the leader of the exorcists is a woman—regarded by her followers as a prophetess, as one with a real message from God; but viewed by the Lord of the churches as a very Jezebel, teaching and seducing the servants of God. For letting her alone, for being timid, paying too much deference to her spiritual pretensions, for failing to see and to show that the so-called ‘deep things’ of these teachers were depths of Satan, the chief minister is rebuked.” (Ellicot’s Commentary)

This description sounds a whole lot like a lot of the women preachers today that we are told to not have anything to do with. God doesn’t want women preaching and teaching the Word of God. He wants men to do this. He gave this ministry to men, not to women. God is clear what He wants women to teach other women; the ways of godly womanhood and these Jezebels never teach about the principles of Titus 2:4, 5 as far as I can see or have heard.

Professing Christians are fawning over every heretic, heresy, heretical book, and blasphemous movie. They will race off to conferences with a speaker lineup that reads like a ‘Who’s Who?’ in false ‘ministers of righteousness.’  The truth floats on by them, but they eagerly reach out, grab, and gush over every falsehood. But they will not rejoice over or promote truth. Further, they refuse to invest any time and energy defending anyone who presents truth when they are under attack.”

Banes’ Notes on the Bible has this to say about Jezebels: “The kind of character, therefore, which would be designated by the term as used here, would be that of a woman who was artful and persuasive in her manner; who was capable of exerting a wide influence over others; who had talents of a high order; who was a thorough advocate of error; who was unscrupulous in the means which she employed for accomplishing her ends; and the tendency of whose influence was to lead the people into the abominable practices of idolatry.”

They act so spiritual. They stand up in front of churches behind pulpits. They are loud and commanding in the way they speak. They make up new words that sound spiritual but are not biblical. They leave their homes, husbands, and children to “minister” to women. You won’t hear them teaching about submitting to and obeying their husbands or being keepers at home. They won’t exhort families and churches to care for widows so they can be home with their children. I doubt they will ever mention that women are to be silent in the churches and if women have questions to ask their husbands at home. Forget about the exhortation that women are not to teach nor be in authority over men. No, these important topics for women will most likely never be heard from these Jezebels and we wonder why the Church is so weak and ineffective today.

Then when older women teach younger women all of these principles of godly womanhood and give Scripture to back up what they teach, they are called names, told how horrible they are, and ridiculed by the many who reject God’s truths. C.H. Fisher wrote: “But they reject God’s messengers. They call them mean-spirited, hateful, ignorant, self-righteous, and even diabolical, for the sole reason that His messengers pierce their fickle and carnal hearts with anointed truth. When they speak harsh rebukes to God’s messengers, they are speaking against Him. Condemning God’s messengers is as condemning the message and the One who sent it. It is as rejecting His righteous authority. There will be judgment for that great sin. The reason is because it not only prevents the individuals who reject it from entering the kingdom of heaven, it deceives and prevents other ones from entering.”

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1 Corinthians 14:34

Satan Preys on the Vulnerability of Women

Satan Preys on the Vulnerability of Women

A woman wrote me this letter recently and I thought many of you would enjoy reading it. I do love receiving letters from wise women who read my blog because they give a different perspective.

Interesting circumstance yesterday morning in doing some on-line research for my husband, I came across a blog posting on “Why Your Pastor Should Say ‘No More to Beth Moore.” With hundreds of comments listed, I began reading. Whew! Took a while. As I read, I realized anew why God has NOT “ordained” women to teach the scriptures; they are EASILY deceived, persuaded, with the emotions playing a huge part in the processing! The last post, posted just this week, (by a man! ha) pretty much sums up all the previous ones, the major
portion being written by women:

“After reading through a majority of these comments, I am convinced that this sums up the entire state of American Christianity in 2017. I can’t believe how many people want to twist and spin Scripture around to make it say what they want it to say. One person even went as far to say something along the lines of  ‘Don’t allow the Bible to tell you how to reach people!’ which I am not even sure how someone could physically type those words.

I mean I totally understand someone who claims to be an unbeliever having a problem with what the Bible says, but I just can’t wrap my head around someone who claims to be a follower of Christ yet completely ignores what scripture clearly states. I can’t explain how many times I’ve had a discussion with someone and they have replied ‘God would never say that’ when I have directly quoted Scripture to them.

Josh, thank you for this article. I appreciate anyone who firmly stands on the truth of Scripture and wants to honor Him above any man or woman, especially when it comes to calling out a popular false teacher. May God bless you and continue to give you strength as you further His kingdom through this ministry.”

After reading that article/comments, I sat back, tried to get my mind back in focus, and thought, “Oh, I haven’t yet read Lori’s blog for today.” So imagine my utmost surprise when I read the title “Why Don’t Women’s Bible Studies Teach Submission.” And then I checked out Timothy Hammon’s article. I believe the Lord allowed the timing of my reading to, once again, show that HIS word is true….always. We just need to obey. Nothing MORE, nothing LESS! It’s really pretty simple (but very difficult to put in practice?). I guess that’s why, as human beings/sinners, we think there is always something “more” we should be “doing.” In the end, we really don’t believe God, or His word, is sufficient/enough.

My husband and I were discussing this “women’s” issue once again. Interesting, isn’t it, that Satan went first to Eve, who, at this point, was still sinless/perfect. According to what the scripture says, Adam may have been right there beside her. Why didn’t Satan go to Adam? Did Satan sense vulnerability in Eve’s God-created “emotional” make-up?…..as well as in Adam’s “ego?”

You know, “Women’s Bible studies” (as known today) haven’t always been. I remember when they came into vogue (late 70’s/80’s) in the local church, especially the larger churches (having been a part of one of those larger “bible” churches during that time. I remember well the discussions for/against).

Growing up in a Bible-expositing church in the 60’s/early 70’s, wives/women generally practiced/modeled the truths of Titus 2. (Of course, there were/are always exceptions. As I was thinking through this, interestingly, I realized that almost all of my high school friends’/200 classmates’ moms, most probably unsaved, did also….very few exceptions!!) Anyway, the women felt no need for “extra” bible studies.; too “busy” at home putting Titus 2 into practice? …. taking care of my husband, children, home? I do remember a Ladies Missionary group, that met once a month to help missionaries in a practical way (or even church people, elderly/neighbors/community) i.e. making blankets, preparing some foods, cleaning homes, etc. etc. During the summers, I’d get to
accompany my mother and help also.

So, what happened? While studying women’s issues over some years, it became clear to me, that, when (Christian?) women in the church began listening to, and being educated by, the world’s philosophy (college/women’s lib/etc.), forsaking (deciding for and by themselves) submission to their husbands, not bearing children (or just “a few”), putting the ones they
did have in day-care, leaving their home for the work-place, becoming “equal” with their husbands in providing, “status,” etc….. that they then, sub-consciously(?) began feeling a void, lack of inner satisfaction/fulfillment, possibly even some sort of guilt and began searching for something that might fill the void. And, not being challenged/encouraged/reprimanded(?) by the church pastor/leaders to get back to doing what the scriptures teach, the “emptiness” was rationalized away by….oh!…doing a “spiritual” thing…..“let’s get together/socialize/talk, encourage each other (in our ‘woes), but we’ll justify it by doing something ‘spiritual’…by studying the BIBLE!”

But would Titus 2, Ephesians 5, and Colossians 3 be the first passages to search out? Of course not! The “doctrinal/heavy” issues are of most importance to we “thinking/educated/knowledgeable/wise” women! And we don’t need a man to teach us either. We have the Holy Spirit! Sunday morning teaching is just not enough to “minister” to us (emotional, many-faceted) women. We are a “separate” class; a man can not know all that pertains to us! (facetious-ness off)

And Women’s Bible studies became a structured (“cemented!”) part of the church to “help” our women become “true” women of God. Hence, the question of your blog of  January 6! You see, however, Titus 2 et al. “CAN’T” be taught, because it was “discarded” in the first place to get where they are now! (Teachers in front of large audiences, conferences, in pulpits, “revered” as “women of the Word,” a.k.a. Beth Moore, etc.)

As my husband has often said just as Satan went to the woman in the garden (the “Achilles heel” of the marriage relationship?), so he has captivated emotional, un-discerning, un-submissive women today. And, in the process, God’s word is blasphemed. God is not seen as HOLY! It does bring tears to my eyes/heart.

I appreciated your response on the blog to Tami. VERY sad to say, but her thoughts speak pretty much for the majority of women in the Church today who would call themselves genuine believers! AND…on the blogs. (huge sigh, sometimes it IS despairing)

It’s become the biggest straw man; the most-used EXCUSE for casting blame/responsibility onto others. And for trying to establish/rationalize disobedience to the scriptures. The EXCEPTION has now become the rule. Unfortunately, church leaders have fallen for the exception, instead of standing firm on God’s word. Biblical standards and principles are not considered, and emotionalism has once more become the barometer of any counselling taking place. Would it not be an “insightful” conclusion that “Women’s Bible studies” play/have played a MAJOR part in this scenario? I am UTTERLY ASTOUNDED at times at the audacity, arrogance, and the down-right supreme selfishness of so-called Christian women these days.

I like very much the in-put of “Dave.” 🙂 If I didn’t know otherwise, I’d think it’d be my husband. ha (It’s not) What he shared today, though, my husband has been saying for years. What he says would not have raised an eye-brow 70/100 yrs ago. Hmmmm, so, what’s changed? God’s Word? I think it’d be to a Pastor’s advantage to remind his congregation every now and then, and do what they did in Nehemiah 8:9. He gathered ALL the people together and Ezra read, from the beginning, the book. And reminded the people of history from God’s hand. Would WE weep, when we’d hear the words of the “law” like they did?

 Thanks for being firm on God’s Word, Lori, and for being a blessing.

Love,
Anonymous

Then Nehemiah, who was the governor, and Ezra the priest and scribe, and the Levites who taught the people said to all the people, “This day is holy to the LORD your God; do not mourn or weep.” For all the people were weeping when they heard the words of the law.
Nehemiah 8:9

Women Prophesying in the Church

Women Prophesying in the Church

Whenever I teach that women are commanded to not be preachers/teachers of the Word but to be silent in the churches as the Apostle Paul has taught, invariably I have women tell me that women can prophesy in the church because of 1 Corinthians 11:5. “But every woman that prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.”

Years ago, I listened to Michael Pearl teach 1 Corinthians and he taught that the Apostle Paul wrote this letter to the Corinthian church because they were the most “messed up church in the New Testament” and it is “an extremely practical book.” Paul doesn’t only deal with behavior in the church service but mostly with the daily behavior of all Christians.

Let’s look at the context of this verse to see if people are right about women prophesying in the church. The entire chapter before this verse are instructions for godly behavior and doesn’t mention anything about being in a church service. Here are a few verses for examples.

Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

The next chapter, 1 Corinthians 11, then goes on to speak about a husband being head over his wife and the verse we are studying is in these verses.

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head.

But every woman that prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

Do you see that last verse? The churches of God have no such custom! There’s nothing here about being part of a church service in these verses. It’s simply teaching a wife’s relationship to her husband as he is her head and authority, and he is her head whether or not she is in a church service or not. Her hair is always her covering as a symbol of being in submission to her husband.

The next thing I want you to ponder is the definition of prophesy given in the Bible. A couple chapters later, Paul describes it for us: “But he that prophesies speaks unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort” (1 Corinthians 14:3) It’s not a “new word from the Lord” as many claim today. It’s using what we know from the Word to edify, exhort, and comfort others. Mothers will use all of these when raising their children.

Older women also use all three of these things (prophesy: edify, exhort, comfort) with younger women as I do in order to teach all aspects of godly womanhood. Ken has told me that I have the gift of prophesy but I certainly don’t ever speak out in a church service or hear a “new word” apart from Scriptures. Women may even have to exhort a friend, sister, or relative who is in sin. It has nothing whatsoever about speaking out in a church service and Paul made this clear when he taught that women are to be silent  in the church (1 Corinthians 14:34 and 1 Timothy 2:12).

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1 Corinthians 14:34

Should Women Teach the Bible in Public?

Should Women Teach the Bible in Public?

As many of you know, I have become convicted about teaching the Bible (theology) to women. I love learning from God’s Word and want to know the truth of it above all. I teach all of the biblical principles of godly womanhood which includes a lot of Bible verses but I don’t claim to be a theologian, pastor, elder, or deacon since God has made it clear in His Word that men are to be the preacher/teachers of the Word. I am seeing too many women preacher/teachers teaching things that are contrary to the Word of God to believe that God wants them teaching the Bible to other women. Plus, they usually teach everything but what the Bible has to say about being a godly woman.

I have decided to research two verses by going again to the commentaries of old to search out my convictions. I love these commentaries because they haven’t been swayed by feminism or political correctness. The verse I am looking at is 1 Timothy 2:11, “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.”

“According to St. Paul, women are not allowed to be public teachers in the church; for teaching is an office of authority. But good women may and ought to teach their children at home the principles of true religion. Also, women must not think themselves excused from learning what is necessary to salvation, though they must not usurp authority. As woman was last in the creation, which is one reason for her subjection, so she was first in the transgression.” From this comment, women are to learn the Word of God from male leaders in the church and they are to learn in silence. Then, they are to go home and teach their children what they have learned.

“Let the woman learn in silence – Listen attentively to instruction, without attempting to teach in public.” This goes against most teaching we hear today. There are many women who teach the Bible in public these days and they have no problems teaching men and women. I just had a thought. The reason these women don’t normally teach the biblical principles of godly womanhood is because they can’t or it would judge them as not obeying it. They are not learning in silence with all subjection and they usually aren’t keepers at home under the submission of their husbands.

“With all subjection—not ‘usurping authority’ (1 Timothy 2:12). She might teach, but not in public (Acts 18:26).” Yet, another commentary of old saying that women should not be teaching out in public. If we look at all the commands to women, there’s nothing that tells women to be known for teaching the Bible in public. Not one command or example.

“The apostle goes on to give some other instructions to women, how they should behave themselves in public worship, in the church of God; he would have them be learners and not teachers, sit and hear, and learn more of Christ, and of the truth of the Gospel, and to maintain good works; and he would have them learn in silence, and not offer to rise and speak, under a pretense of having a word from the Lord, or of being under an impulse of the Spirit of the Lord, as some frantic women have done; and if they should meet with anything, under the ministry of the word, they did not understand, or they had an objection to, they were not to speak in public, but ask their own husbands at home.”

Learners and not teachers. Learn in silence. Not offer to rise and speak. They were not to speak in public. All things that we don’t hear from preachers today. This would offend many rebellious women of today. (Nothing about God’s Word offends me and I love to study it to know exactly what God requires of me.)

“Spiritual receptivity and activity in domestic life were recognized as the appropriate destiny of women, and therefore the female sex was excluded from the public discussion of religious subjects. Though in Christ there is no distinction, yet Christianity does not put an end to the natural distinctions ordained by God; it recognizes them in order to inform them with its higher life.” God’s ordained roles for the sexes is beautiful and create order. Women are to be known for having gentle and quiet spirits. Our role is not inferior to men in any way but it is different and it is good.

“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence” (1 Timothy 2:12) Let’s look at the old commentaries on this similar verse.

“The whole purpose of these weighty admonitions of the great founder of the Gentile Churches relegates Christian women to their own legitimate sphere of action and influence—the quiet of their own homes… St. Paul shows what is the only proper sphere in which woman should work, and in which she should exercise her influence and power; while man’s work and duties lay in the busy world without, woman’s work was exclusively confined to the quiet stillness of home. The Apostle then proceeds to ground these injunctions respecting the duties in public and private of the two sexes upon the original order of creation, and upon the circumstances which attended the fall.” Keepers at home. Homes take a lot to run smoothly and there is a lot of work to be done in the home especially when there are children. Learn to love being at home, women. Find contentment there. It is a good place to be.

“But I suffer not a woman to teach, They may teach in private, in their own houses and families; they are to be teachers of good things.” I love teaching in the privacy of my own home. I don’t have to fly anywhere, stay in hotels, leave my husband or grandchildren. I’m able to visit by aged mother and father, and take care of my home. I don’t want to leave my home and I love being a teacher of “good things” (Titus 2:3) to younger women as the Lord commands older women.

“The first argument, why it is not lawful for women to teach in the congregation, because by this means they would be placed above men, for they would be their masters: and this is against God’s ordinance.” When women seek to teach other women the Bible, these women they are teaching are learning and listening to women instead of men as God has directed them to learn from. Some of these women preachers/teachers are leading women astray. I see it happening. “God spoke to me so this word is for you…”  Many times, these women eventually have no problem standing in front of and teaching men.

It’s become very obvious to me what this means for women. God made it clear exactly what He wants women to teach other women in Titus 2:3-5. There is absolutely no guesswork in this. If you are an older women, teach these good things to younger women. Allow godly men to teach them the majority of the Bible.

Discerning Error and Truth

Discerning Error and Truth

There are famous women preachers/teachers that other women love to share these preachers’ words excitedly and pronounce them good and inspiring. I look at these women’s words and read them over and over again trying to make sense of them. They may sound good but they aren’t biblical. They make up words that aren’t in the Bible and point women to ways that aren’t of God. They “hear” from God, write it down on paper, and act if these words they supposedly heard from God are for all women. No, they are not!

I sat under and learned from some of these women. They were just alright with me. I’d try to get all excited about them but for some reason I never could and I couldn’t put my finger on it but now I know. I have grown in my faith and know the Bible better so I can easily distinguish between false, made up teachings and solid, Bible teachings. The only way to do this is to chew on the meat of the Word ourselves and learn from godly men who have spent years studying the Word, not “hearing” from God.

I was reading 2 Timothy yesterday. When I get to these smaller books of the Bible, I usually read the entire book in one sitting but it doesn’t take long because they’re short. The Apostle Paul is teaching Timothy how the church should run. In 2 Timothy 1:12, Paul exhorts Timothy: “HOLD FAST the form of sound words, which thou has heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ.” Know the Word of God, women, so when something that doesn’t line up with scripture is being said or written, you will be able to quickly discern if it is truth or not.

In 2 Timothy 2:14, Paul wrote: “Study to show thyself approved unto God a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” My children went to AWANA their entire childhood and this verse is AWANA’s motto. The Bible was hidden deeply into their hearts so they weren’t and aren’t easily led astray by false teachings. They know the truth and I’ve never seen my daughter become excited about one of these female preachers/teachers, thankfully. Ground your children in the Word.

“Shun profane and vain babblings; for they will increase unto more ungodliness” (2 Timothy 2:16). One of these types of female teachers, I wrote about years ago and warned about her. Now, she has left her husband and is in a lesbian relationship. Another one has endorsed gay marriage. It’s never my intent to destroy other women’s ministries but it is my intent to warn all of you about the false teaching that is going on. Don’t listen to someone who claims, “I heard from God and this is what He said…” Shun this type of teaching and go to the Word and learn from the Lord. Leaving the clear teachings of the Word and making up one’s own bible is a very dangerous place to go.

Here is a post that went around that women loved:

Now, this isn’t from a Christian source as I am sure you can tell right away but women love these kind of things. I decided to take this post and change each sentence into truth so a woman in the chat room made a poster for me with my words.

If you see a tweet, poster, or statement written by someone that everyone else is swooning over, make sure it’s truth and not just tickling your ears. If it’s hard to understand and it takes a while to try and figure out, it’s probably not truth. Stick to the Word of God and to those who teach it clearly and unashamedly; those who don’t try to water it down. Learn from those who point clearly to Jesus and His ways. If you have a godly male teacher/ preacher that you love learning the meat of the Word from, put his name in the comment section for others to learn from. If you know other godly female teachers who teach godly womanhood, put their names there, too. It’s good for all of us to know those who love the truth and aren’t afraid to teach it!

God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
in these last days has spoken to us in His Son,
whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Hebrews 1:1, 2

My Favorite Church Service With the Pearls

My Favorite Church Service With the Pearls

Years ago, right after Debi Pearl’s book Created to Be His Help Meet was published in 2004, we went to a week-long retreat of theirs where Michael was going to preach to us the meat of the Word – the book of Hebrews. I asked if Ken would go with me the first night and he did because he liked what Debi’s book was doing for our marriage and for me. When we got there, we saw Mike right away and went up and greeted him. He’s a big, kind of gruff guy but man, can he preach the Word of God. Ken liked his preaching so much that he went with me the entire week!

Every session, Debi would sit in the front row and smile and nod her head towards Mike. You could see her love towards him and his love towards her the entire week. One day Debi had a class for just women and mostly answered questions about her book. She was soft and gentle and it was fun listening to her. I went up and talked to her for a bit and she was warm and friendly towards everyone. She gave another class on health but I couldn’t make it. I was still recovering from my first brain surgery so it was a miracle I was even able to attend.

I have heard Debi criticized for not teaching the Word in her book but she leaves this up to Mike. In my book, I had Ken share the parts that were teaching the Word since I have become convicted that yes, God gave men the responsibility of doing this and it is a heavy responsibility.

I loved listening to Mike teach about the Lord, how we’re freed from the Law and sin, and how grace now pours down upon us. There were so many things he taught us during that week thirteen years ago that I still remember clearly to this day. No other minister of the Word has had such a great impact upon our lives. He’s a GREAT story teller and he gave an example of God’s grace upon us. He mentioned the old-time cable cars in San Francisco and how they are connected to wires overhead all throughout the city. Where ever you walk, you’re likely to be near or under the cables that bring electricity to these cable cars. God’s grace is like this. It just is pouring down upon us all the day long covering up our sins done in ignorance and blessing us with God’s peace.

On Sunday, they had a church service so all of our children came with us. They were all teenagers by this time and they loved it! The Pearls take the Bible seriously and women were not allowed to speak during the service. Yes, we sang songs praising the Lord. At one point, Michael asked for testimonies of any who came to know the Lord that week. He said if a wife came to know the Lord that the husband stand up and share for her. He then spoke a powerful sermon and prayed over all of us.

And you know what, I wasn’t offended in the least that not one woman spoke during this church service. It didn’t demean women at all, as many want us to believe. It’s God’s created perfect order for us and it was beautiful. The women were dressed modestly and acted modestly. The women learned from Debi Pearl, the older woman, the ways of godly womanhood and all of us learned the meat of the Word from Michael. Just the way God has ordained it to be.

We sang some great old-time hymns and Michael would have a hand raised to the Lord with tears streaming down his face. During his sermons, sometimes he would get so choked up speaking about the His glorious Savior that he would have to stop for a few moments. This big, old gruff guy was moved greatly by the Lord and His love for him. One time Debi was late to one of the sessions so she walked gracefully and cutely up the aisle to the front and he said, “That woman still turns me on!” We all broke out in laughter. So yes, Christians can have a lot of fun and why not; the JOY of the LORD is our strength!

After this week, I bought all of his CDs and wrote all over my Bible learning from this great man of faith. It has been life transforming for Ken and me. Debi helped change our marriage and Mike changed how we see the Lord and who we are in Him. God is using them in powerful ways because they are willing vessels for him. The conference was free because Michael doesn’t want to be beholden to anyone, just as the Apostle Paul was a tentmaker so he wouldn’t be beholden to anyone. They preach the Gospel clearly and with authority and this is why this was my favorite church service ever!

On the last day as we were leaving, Ken found that black Bible in the picture. Everyone had left so they told us to keep it. It’s the Bible I used when listening to all of Mike’s Bible teachings so it’s beat up, marked up, and old. It was old when I got it but I treasure this Bible with God’s Words of wisdom and Michael’s preaching notes in it.

The Apostle Paul’s instructions to Timothy, a young male pastor:

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season;
reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

2 Timothy 4:2